Bruno Guimarães

[WideopenMag]

He's returning to his top form I feel, he's always been good but think we haven't seen the best of him at times this season. Fulham he was absolutely sublime, ran the show.

[Joey47]

I wonder who scouted Bruno and who really pushed his signing.

[Lazarus]

I think Bruno and Tonali with someone like Olmo would be very sexy.

[Shearergol]

6 minutes ago, Joey47 said:

I wonder who scouted Bruno and who really pushed his signing.

Probably Kaka 

[morpeth mag]

On 17/12/2023 at 08:06, gbandit said:

Did he even get the assist for that incredible cross yesterday?

Not in Fantasy, so I presume the same with opta. If Burn's header goes straight in he gets the assist but not because of the save and rebound. Defies common sense but I think that's how it works 

[ryanegg]

1 hour ago, WideopenMag said:

He's returning to his top form I feel, he's always been good but think we haven't seen the best of him at times this season. Fulham he was absolutely sublime, ran the show.

 

I do agree, but we were against 10 men for most of the game.. he had a lot more freedom than usual.

[WideopenMag]

5 minutes ago, ryanegg said:

 

I do agree, but we were against 10 men for most of the game.. he had a lot more freedom than usual.

Yeah that Is a good point and likely played a part but his willingness to drive forward some of his touches and cross for Burns and part for Mileys goal, just class.

[PauloGeordio]

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[ExiledGeordie]

Bloke is colossal in midfield now, just hope we het players back and sign some in Jan to help him and the other lads out. We’re also royally fucked if he gets injured.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by ExiledGeordie

[Guest]

Noticed he was the one that stepped up and tried lifting Trippier after the pen miss as well. He's another proper leader and noticed he needed to be there. 

[ExiledGeordie]

8 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Noticed he was the one that stepped up and tried lifting Trippier after the pen miss as well. He's another proper leader and noticed he needed to be there. 

Yeah he’s vital at the moment. 

[TheBrownBottle]

On 18/12/2023 at 09:35, JNK said:

That's why it's interesting.

 

In classic Brazil the norm would be something like 

 

              9

       11          7

             10

           8

                5

    6   4    3    2

             1

 

 

or 

 

           9  11

         7/8  10 

         7/8  5

       6  4   3   2

That makes sense that Brazil would have that number sequencing - W-M was in use when Brazil first adopted numbers.  So:

 

11    9    7

    10  8

     6   5

 4     3   2

And W-M was often really a 3-2-5, which makes it clearer:

 

11 10 9 8 7

       6  5

     4  3  2

 

So they would have moved the left-half to left back, so the 6 is the new LB.  The inside right is moved into midfield, because in Brazil 4-2-4 becomes the norm in the mid-50s after W-M loses favour.

 

In England, the numbers were first introduced when W-M was somewhat established, but many teams would still line up in the only formation football had actually had for over half a century - 2-3-5

 

11 10 9 8  7

     6 5 4

      3 2

In England (UK generally), the centre-half (5) first slotted into centre-back, then when W-M became 4-4-2 in the late 50s, the 6 (left-half) also became a CB, with the inside right slotting into midfield - usually RCM.  So the 4 & 8 were your centre mids

 

TBF it was mainly in France and Germany were the ‘6’ was a midfielder and the ‘4’ a centre back.  Which is why football hipsters love wanking on about ‘number 6s’ - as if a defensive midfielder who can play a bit is an invention of mainland Europe.

 

Therefore, anyone who calls a defensive mid a ‘6’ is immediately suspicious and should be treated with extreme caution (I’m joking!)

 

edit: for anyone who actually managed to get through that and somehow is curious as to why the team numbers seem to go backwards, that’s because football formations were usually shown in the inverse of what they are today - often in the program the two teams would be shown as if they were on the pitch against each other.  So:

 

            1

          2  3

        4  5  6

     7 8 9 10 11

 

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by TheBrownBottle

[JNK]

10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

That makes sense that Brazil would have that number sequencing - W-M was in use when Brazil first adopted numbers.  So:

 

11    9    7

    10  8

     6   5

 4     3   2

And W-M was often really a 3-2-5, which makes it clearer:

 

11 10 9 8 7

       6  5

     4  3  2

 

So they would have moved the left-half to left back, so the 6 is the new LB.  The inside right is moved into midfield, because in Brazil 4-2-4 becomes the norm in the mid-50s after W-M loses favour.

 

In England, the numbers were first introduced when W-M was somewhat established, but many teams would still line up in the only formation football had actually had for over half a century - 2-3-5

 

11 10 9 8  7

     6 5 4

      3 2

In England (UK generally), the centre-half (5) first slotted into centre-back, then when W-M became 4-4-2 in the late 50s, the 6 (left-half) also became a CB, with the inside right slotting into midfield - usually RCM.  So the 4 & 8 were your centre mids

 

TBF it was mainly in France and Germany were the ‘6’ was a midfielder and the ‘4’ a centre back.  Which is why football hipsters love wanking on about ‘number 6s’ - as if a defensive midfielder who can play a bit is an invention of mainland Europe.

 

Therefore, anyone who calls a defensive mid a ‘6’ is immediately suspicious and should be treated with extreme caution (I’m joking!)

 

edit: for anyone who actually managed to get through that and somehow is curious as to why the team numbers seem to go backwards, that’s because football formations were usually shown in the inverse of what they are today - often in the program the two teams would be shown as if they were on the pitch against each other.  So:

 

            1

          2  3

        4  5  6

     7 8 9 10 11

 

 

 

That's a proper football history lesson mate! 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, JNK said:

That's a proper football history lesson mate! 

Cheers haha - and all because I’m irrationally irritated by the nonsense use of numbers to describe positions  

 

And your explanation of numbering in Brazilian football simply added to it - the numbering system changed in different football cultures.  So I get annoyed at the obvious pretentiousness of describing a ‘6’ in English football, when that number never matched the position described (while arguing against it in the most pretentious way possible)

[joeyt]

Love him but his passing was way off it today

[Decky]

Aye he was poor today. Passing was terrible and what the fuck was that shot towards the end of the game?  

[Oregon_Geordie]

Just now, joeyt said:

Love him but his passing was way off it today

Agree but he's flogged to death. Guy plays every second of every fucking game, and it's a rule that everything has to go through him. We need some more creativity and brains to help him. Longstaff was utterly invisible today tbh

[Lotus]

We're gonna burn him out if we carry on like this.

[Oregon_Geordie]

1 minute ago, Lotus said:

We're gonna burn him out if we carry on like this.

He's already burnt out, Id say. Give them all a week off and play the kids against Forrest and Liverpool. 

We're not gonna win with this group. Empty Tanks.

 

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

7 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Love him but his passing was way off it today

 

I felt it was more desperate than normal at times. So more mistakes I guess.  But yes agreed

[1964]

Couldn't pass wind today 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by 1964

[Vaj]

Still thought he was our best player even being slightly off it. Only one that looked like they were trying to do something 

[MrRaspberryJam]

Just now, 1964 said:

Could pass wind today 

Farting on the pitch doesn’t normally help. 

[dcmk]

Should be made club captain sooner rather than later.

 

Always wanting the ball and never hiding.

 

 

[PauloGeordio]