Superior Acuña Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 1) they don’t need to milk match going fans to buy players 2) I absolutely would rather to be able to afford to see my team than have them be class but unaffordable Football tickets are not any old luxury recreational product due to the relationship between teams and communities. That relationship can be respected or abused and taken advantage of. Edited January 10 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: I don't want to be insensitive to the fact that money is tight and not everyone has the ability to pay. I just honestly don't get it though. People want to win and transfers, but don't want to contribute to it. Lot of the crying over access to tickets come across as cringe entitlement. The alternative is to eliminate the membership and tack on to the cost of tickets. That makes it even more unequal as the prices will only get higher and higher. The membership cost is the way that you as a fan gets to support the club in an affordable way. $40 for a year worth of access, it's less than $1 a week. And it gives you the chance to buy a ticket at (what I believe is) well below market price given the demand there is. If you were to just let the market dictate prices tickets will easily be double and SJP would still be full every week. I have not won a single ballot entry. Wish I would but I don't feel entitled to winning one. Did you have better access when Mike Ashley was running the club? I'm sure, but look at the shit you were watching. I would rather get limited access to tickets but have a great club that challenges for silverware than cheap tickets to absolute garbage. Ticket pricing has very little to zero bearing on PSR or how much we spend in the transfer market and it should never, ever be an excuse for fleecing fans. Our prices have gone up for consecutive seasons now and they’re almost a disgrace as is; it’s at least 50 quid for a ticket to a PL match against the likes of Bournemouth, Leicester, Ipswich and even more for better sides. Not even including the fee for a membership. For a parent to take 1 bairn it’s over 100 quid to watch 1 Newcastle match in the PL, and that’s not even counting money for food, travel etc. Even more if the parent wanted to take 2 bairns. They don’t need to do it. It’s pure greed and needs calling out before it goes too far, if it hasn’t already. Thankfully the FSA are doing their utmost to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySolano Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 $40 membership and $25 tickets is considered milking? We'll have to disagree. I'd be happy catching the odd game in person and enjoying them on the telly the whole season. It's not even about winning, I want them to compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySolano Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Ticket pricing has very little to zero bearing on PSR or how much we spend in the transfer market and it should never, ever be an excuse for fleecing fans. Our prices have gone up for consecutive seasons now and they’re almost a disgrace as is; it’s at least 50 quid for a ticket to a PL match against the likes of Bournemouth, Leicester, Ipswich and even more for better sides. Not even including the fee for a membership. For a parent to take 1 bairn it’s over 100 quid to watch 1 Newcastle match in the PL, and that’s not even counting money for food, travel etc. Even more if the parent wanted to take 2 bairns. They don’t need to do it. It’s pure greed and needs calling out before it goes too far, if it hasn’t already. Thankfully the FSA are doing their utmost to do so. Under that logic they don't need to charge anything. It should be free to everyone. And they will have a ballot to decide who gets to go. I could very well be in the minority here. I just don't think it's the crime everyone claims it to be. I'm more reacting to the whining about the ballots. What do they want it to be? There is more demand than tickets. I think the membership + ballot scheme is as fair as it's going to get and the alternatives will only make it less fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, NobbySolano said: Under that logic they don't need to charge anything. It should be free to everyone. And they will have a ballot to decide who gets to go. I could very well be in the minority here. I just don't think it's the crime everyone claims it to be. I'm more reacting to the whining about the ballots. What do they want it to be? There is more demand than tickets. I think the membership + ballot scheme is as fair as it's going to get and the alternatives will only make it less fair. Football should be made as affordable and accessible as possible, yeah. Especially in one of the least affluent parts of the country. Obviously it’s not going to be free but the rises across the league are getting out of control when there is not one genuine reason for them to be outside of greed. https://thefsa.org.uk/news/ticket-price-pain-rising-costs-measured-in-the-football-price-index/ https://thefsa.org.uk/news/high-ticket-prices-are-not-the-answer-to-psr/ The FSA are doing their best to try and nip it but takes like this and from many of our lot regarding the CL scheme last season and this topic in general are disheartening as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) If local people, especially youngins, can’t afford to go to the match or can’t get home and away tickets because there’s no form of priority given to them, then we risk current and future generations being denied access to something that is a hugely positive and important cultural aspect of life in the region I know in the modern era we need to grow a UK wide / international / affluent fan base to compete, but it shouldn’t be at the detriment of people in the North East. There needs to be some balance between the two groups I’m fortunate I know how to work the ticketing system and £50 ticket prices + £40 membership aren’t a financial stretch for me. But I haven’t lost sight of the bigger issues of football clubs being community assets that unify local people and a football club shouldn’t exist to fleece fans Especially in our region, which is a disadvantaged, overlooked, poverty stricken area of the country I’d be happy to pay more for my tickets if it meant a young adult from the North East who’s NUFC daft got a discount on theirs Edited January 10 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 That's another reason why SJP is hopelessly too small and outdated now. We need 20k more seats. It would still be jam packed every week but that would probably give another 15k fans a chance to get in (assuming 25% of any capacity increase would be corporate) and make the membership far more attractive and not the complete waste of money that it's turned out to be for a lot of fans who are still sat on zero ballot successes. One of the remits that the new owners promised was that they wanted to further increase the size of the already huge fanbase. Clearly they're well on their way to doing that but the current SJP really stifles things in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 As a teen in the 90's the lock out period when it was 100% season tickets was so fucking demoralising Fortunately I knew a family who would sometimes have a spare season ticket so I got to a game from time to time, but being denied access to something I loved so much at an absolutely influential age was gutting Just build an 80,000 capacity stadium, would rather have the potential of a few thousand empty seats for less popular games, rather than people being locked out or having to go into a lottery to get tickets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: As a teen in the 90's the lock out period when it was 100% season tickets was so fucking demoralising Fortunately I knew a family who would sometimes have a spare season ticket so I got to a game from time to time, but being denied access to something I loved so much at an absolutely influential age was gutting Just build an 80,000 capacity stadium, would rather have the potential of a few thousand empty seats for less popular games, rather than people being locked out or having to go into a lottery to get tickets Aye it was shite. I was one of the lucky ones who had a ST but most of my school mates, who'd I'd stood with in the very late 80s up until the end of the 90/91 season before I got my season ticket, couldn't get in anymore. We're now in a position where every single match is massively over subscribed. Wimbledon at home in the League Cup, oversubscribed, Bromley in the FA Cup, oversubscribed. When both those clubs returned some of their allocation the extra tickets were snapped up instantly. I actually agree that we could fill an extra 28k seats for the vast majority of games taking things as they are. As I said above it would also make the membership more worthwhile for people. In fact they could probably increase the price of it a bit as people would be buying it knowing they've got decent access to tickets instead of the 1 in 4 chance or whatever the average seems to be now is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Whatever we choose to do (move/stay), I'm fairly certain that the vast, vast majority of extra tickets will be made up of ballot & hospitality. All about the ££, sadly. I echo what those have said though. £50 to watch us play Bournemouth (taking nowt away from them, they're a good team) at 12:30 on a Saturday is nothing shy of a disgrace tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I see the latest SJP article pretty much confirmed memberships are reaching 6 figures in numbers. Certainly in the very high 5 figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Chicken Dancer said: Whatever we choose to do (move/stay), I'm fairly certain that the vast, vast majority of extra tickets will be made up of ballot & hospitality. All about the ££, sadly. I echo what those have said though. £50 to watch us play Bournemouth (taking nowt away from them, they're a good team) at 12:30 on a Saturday is nothing shy of a disgrace tbh. Fully agree. As is £30 for Bromley on Sunday imo. I know they’re set prices for the competition but howay, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 In every single walk of life we let "market forces" dictate the price. When the electorate have allowed themselves to believe any nod to socialism and affordability of goods and services is irrelevant then so be it. No good moaning about football prices. I'm of the opinion that I'd rather listen to Newcastle beat Liverpool in a cup final on the radio than pay for a £10 ticket to watch them get beat in the 2nd round. It'll be a new stadium with loads of corporate and a few more season tickets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Fully agree. As is £30 for Bromley on Sunday imo. I know they’re set prices for the competition but howay, man. I don't mind that as much but purely down to the fact Bromley will get 50% (I think?) of gate receipts. Will really help them out. But aye, it is steep. The friendlies in the summer were £25, no? That was a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On the flip side my ticket for the League Cup Semi Final was 20 quid and the bairns was only a tenner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: On the flip side my ticket for the League Cup Semi Final was 20 quid and the bairns was only a tenner. Yes, the pre-arranged pricing due to the cup scheme has positives and negatives. If they were pricing up match-by-match, I dare say it’d be a bit cheaper for Bromley, but absolutely no way it would be £20 for the semi final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrone Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) Interesting 😉 Edited January 14 by patrone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Deadline clearly connected to us announcing a new stadium on Feb 1st Boomshakalaka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Mags and Mags Junior staying on sale though. Colour me morbidly intrigued. As an existing Mags+ member I have no expectation that the eventual reason knocks my socks off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It's a bit of a strange one like, given the low success rate some members have had in the ballots, and with over half of the season finished. It's almost like they're implying that people might miss out on something big if they're not a Mag+ member in the coming months. Or they might be trying to give people false hope that if they buy a Mag+ membership it will give them a better chance of a final ticket if we get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Mags+ Member exclusive access to limited season tickets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 20 minutes ago, Leazes1986 said: It's a bit of a strange one like, given the low success rate some members have had in the ballots, and with over half of the season finished. It's almost like they're implying that people might miss out on something big if they're not a Mag+ member in the coming months. Or they might be trying to give people false hope that if they buy a Mag+ membership it will give them a better chance of a final ticket if we get there. I've just had an email. Members+ get 1st dabs on New Stadium season tickets, Cup final ballot just for them BEFORE the riff raff ballot AND 1/2 price NUFC tote bags with "Sam Fender hates Sunderland" emblazoned on the side. Rites Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Mags+ exclusive 30% discount on all products at Sven Adult Books ? Demand expected to overwhelm the local infrastructure unless they close memberships before the offer goes live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) There’s about 30 concession tickets for Wolves on the website that can’t be fucking purchased, absolutely crackers when folk can’t get tickets, not to mention the money club is losing money by the size of the family enclosure. Edited January 15 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) The family enclosure needs reducing like, it’s mental how big it is There’s usually spare yoot tickets for every game so if I was struggling to get tickets I’d definitely set up a snide yoot membership to buy one and just gamble that I wouldn’t get pulled by the the turnstile feds on my way in Edited January 15 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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