BrianSwan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Do you think Howe with the pressure of instant results off the table, and more, quality players, will go back to his Bournemouth style? Bruno, Botman, Schar and Burn are all very good at recycling possession, add in another CM and maybe Newcastle can average about 50% of the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Not with our current team no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Midfield and attack aren't good enough to do so yet unfortunately. Midfield aside from Bruno doesn't use possession well enough and the attack isn't good enough to have sides sit deep against us so we have to recycle the ball in their half to break them down. Be a couple seasons yet before we start averaging 60%+ possession in games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, BrianSwan said: Do you think Howe with the pressure of instant results off the table, and more, quality players, will go back to his Bournemouth style? Bruno, Botman, Schar and Burn are all very good at recycling possession, add in another CM and maybe Newcastle can average about 50% of the ball. I think just the by product of a full pre season under Howe, the removal of the threat of relegation, the addition of Botman alongside Schar, and God willing Wilson being more available will all already see our possession improve a fair amount. Another central midfielder in the mould of a Paqueta, Eriksen, Aouar or Brandt and we'll see even better results as far as that is concerned, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Need to strengthen our midfield first for that to happen. Never mind if we get injuries or suspensions. One top quality RW and CM to add to our best eleven then yeah we would look much better. If we are aiming relatively high then it’s a bit naive to go into the season with only Bruno more or less. Joelinton too arguably, but then we would need someone else to pull the strings. Shelvey and Willock and Longstaff won’t do it. Shelvey at times but no, not on the whole. There’s a reason he goes too deep so often. Because he needs too much time on the ball. He also cannot get out of right situations under pressure very well. I know he did pretty decent last season but you’re naive if you think he’s good enough overall. Backup at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Not with our current team no. To manage 50% posseession? Well his last season at Bournemouth they were at 44.1% and the likes of Brighton and Southampton were at around 50%, and so we can definitely do it with the current team. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/ballbesitz/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2019/plus/1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, KaKa said: To manage 50% posseession? Well his last season at Bournemouth they were at 44.1% and the likes of Brighton and Southampton were at around 50%, and so we can definitely do it with the current team. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/ballbesitz/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2019/plus/1 Well how many times under him last season did we manage it ? We are currently only one player different to how we ended the season in terms of starting 11 and we didn’t manage it many times at all then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianSwan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: Well how many times under him last season did we manage it ? We are currently only one player different to how we ended the season in terms of starting 11 and we didn’t manage it many times at all then. He has a pre season to prepare a style now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Well how many times under him last season did we manage it ? We are currently only one player different to how we ended the season in terms of starting 11 and we didn’t manage it many times at all then. I know, I gave all the reason's why I could see it improving significantly. Quote I think just the by product of a full pre season under Howe, the removal of the threat of relegation, the addition of Botman alongside Schar, and God willing Wilson being more available will all already see our possession improve a fair amount. Another central midfielder in the mould of a Paqueta, Eriksen, Aouar or Brandt and we'll see even better results as far as that is concerned, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: I know, I gave all the reason's why I could see it improving significantly. Yeah I know but your reasons are all based on what ifs and I’m simply basing it on what I saw from pretty much the same group of players last season. I also unfortunately don’t see us signing another CM this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, KaKa said: I think just the by product of a full pre season under Howe, the removal of the threat of relegation, the addition of Botman alongside Schar, and God willing Wilson being more available will all already see our possession improve a fair amount. Another central midfielder in the mould of a Paqueta, Eriksen, Aouar or Brandt and we'll see even better results as far as that is concerned, yes. Yeah, our style of play was about disrupting the opposition. We were rarely overrun when paying sides outside the top 4 even with low possession stats so it wasn't even an issue. I suspect our style won't really change much either, but with Wilson back and hopefully a top winger and/or box to box attacking mid we'll be able to control games better higher up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, BrianSwan said: He has a pre season to prepare a style now He has but he has the same players who i don’t think are capable of playing that style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Howe can hopefully coach ASM and Joelinton into using the ball better too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Yeah I know but your reasons are all based on what ifs and I’m simply basing it on what I saw from pretty much the same group of players last season. I also unfortunately don’t see us signing another CM this summer. So you basically believe last season's circumstances have nothing to do with it, and the players are just inherently incapable? I would have to disagree. I saw enough of an improvement just from how awful we were with the ball under Bruce to believe that with even more preparation going into the season, and all the other things I mentioned, that things will improve even further. Edited July 15, 2022 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I don't think Howe cares for tiki-taka possession as such. It's more about the experience and composure to control crucial periods of games and the fitness required for high tempo attacks, fast counters and episodes of aggressive pressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just want more goals and attacking fret. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, KaKa said: So you basically believe last season's circumstances have nothing to do with it, and the players are just inherently incapable? I would have to disagree. I saw enough of an improvement just from how awful we were with the ball under Bruce to believe that with even more preparation going into the season and all the other things I mentioned, that things will improve even further. Fair enough it’s all about opinions, I’d be massively shocked if our current starting 11 suddenly becomes a possession based side, the players that need replacing aren’t capable of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Shelvey has never been a regular in a top 7-8 side. Mostly been on a level much below. Yet so many people seem happy to have him in and around the 1st team. Because when considering how thin our midfield area is when it comes to quality then he will be playing many games this season. Too many unfortunately. We ain’t getting anywhere with players like him and Longstaff or Willock playing far too many games for us this season. Don’t be foolish saying that a few of these played during our good run. It’s not sustainable. How many times haven’t we seen teams come up from the Championship and ride on a positive wave and do extremely well in their first season only to then break apart more or less the next season. Take away Bruno and we don’t even have a midtable midfield. Edited July 15, 2022 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, junkhead said: I don't think Howe cares for tiki-taka possession as such. It's more about the experience and composure to control crucial periods of games and the fitness required for high tempo attacks, fast counters and episodes of aggressive pressing. True, but the guy that started the thread asked about 50% possession, which is not a tiki-taka style domination of possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 42 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Not with our current team no. He used to do it with Dan Gosling in midfield so you might be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Leicester won the title with about 42-43% average possession. As long as we're organised, don't give away cheap possession and are dangerous on the counter, I don't care about that figure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) I cannot remember seeing many newly promoted sides comfortably contain the entire league (other than Liverpool, City and Spurs) over half a season like. Obviously we don't want to be starting with Shelvey or Longstaff in an ideal world but Howe has us extremely well drilled. Usually lesser teams do it with a low block and absolute aids football. It's not even like we were spawny either, or relied on purple patches from attacking players. Our attack was absolute garbage it's impossible it could be any worse next season. Edited July 15, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, KaKa said: True, but the guy that started the thread asked about 50% possession, which is not a tiki-taka style domination of possession. How do you set up those possession tables on TransferMarkt, Kaka? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 59 minutes ago, BrianSwan said: Do you think Howe with the pressure of instant results off the table, and more, quality players, will go back to his Bournemouth style? Bruno, Botman, Schar and Burn are all very good at recycling possession, add in another CM and maybe Newcastle can average about 50% of the ball. Are you Bryan Swanson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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