Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[Geordie Ahmed]

18 minutes ago, Sufi said:

Hahaha. I promise brother I'm not here to be winding anyone up.

Just playing devils advocate here. We cant afford a 70m from RBL who potentially flops or takes a year to get adjusted to EH and to England etc. 

So I guess I'm thinking of who we can sign that we know what we are getting. Less of a gamble. Lower ceiling but a higher floor. I think its a great year to scavenge off other teams in the prem. Those who are relegated, fallen on tough times etc. Lord knows it happened to us for decades.

Another random but related question, what about the recent Chelsea model with long contracts and future funds involved. Risky? Tying up all that FFP money going forward. 

 

All signings have an element of risk attached to them

 

I think if we did get Szoboszlai it would be less than £70m but still would be a decent amount, the club will do their homework and determine whether he is worth it

 

Isak cost a similar amount and in terms of CL experience I don't believe he had any (maybe the odd game) whereas Szoboszlai has quite a fair bit

 

On the Chelsea model I'm sure it was said FFP would limit it to 5 years, so the 8 year contracts will not help from an FFP point of view. Not sure if that's actually in place yet though. Having said that copying anything Chelsea are doing is probably an unwise strategy anyway

[Sufi]

Agree on both parts there. The only thing is Isak has done it in a few leagues now. Had like 15 europa league matches iirc. Performed ok in limited apps in dortmund, did well for AIK. Did well for Sociedad. Looks great against top opposition for Sweden. 

I would feel totally different if it was 40-50m for Szo.

[Sufi]

Sorry just looked at Szo's return in Salzburg. 60 goal contributions in 83 matches. Very very impressive. That nullifies my point about Isak doing it at AIK/Sociedad. Definitely passes the eye test as well. Its just the price and RBL players track record that scares me tbh. 

[madras]

1 minute ago, Sufi said:

Sorry just looked at Szo's return in Salzburg. 60 goal contributions in 83 matches. Very very impressive. That nullifies my point about Isak doing it at AIK/Sociedad. Definitely passes the eye test as well. Its just the price and RBL players track record that scares me tbh. 

That's where stats can be misleading, if he sets up 59 nailed on chances and they aren't taken..... that's zero goal contributions.

 

It's a mix of data and watching him (for us) and a whole other world within  the game where the data is so finely tuned and the social networks provide so much other info.

[elbee909]

The last thing we need is another Bruno Guimaraes type without PL experience! 

[cubaricho]

3 hours ago, Sufi said:

Its just the price and RBL players track record that scares me tbh. 

Over inflated issue. 

[Mazzy]

I fear the Scott McTominay thread is on its way back soon. 

[Sufi]

2 hours ago, elbee909 said:

The last thing we need is another Bruno Guimaraes type without PL experience! 

I'm playing devils advocate. I'd be happy with Szo for 42 million euros (initially) which is what we got Bruno for.

I guess my point was if we can justify spending 70m (thats if the rumours are correct) on one position, especially from RBL. 

He looks like a mix of Bruno and Ben Arfa. I'd love him here. I think its valid to question the fee, league and team based the history of bundesliga players coming to the PL, specifically that club, our budget and on where we are as a club. Maybe its a luxury or a gamble we cant afford. Maybe it isnt. I dont have an issue with us signing him, I've been cumming all over my laptop watching his videos on youtube just like the rest of you. 

Maybe the bigger question here is how we can spend our 150m (or whatever it is) to minimalize risk, while still finding our next Botman, Isak or Bruno. 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Sufi

[elbee909]

[elbee909]

I just hope something happens early-doors, that's always more reassuring.

[Sufi]

Predict our first transfer.

My money is on Tierney or Maddison.

Who do you have?

[Ikon]

Arda Guler (desperate )

[CPL]

1 hour ago, Sufi said:

I'm playing devils advocate. I'd be happy with Szo for 42 million euros (initially) which is what we got Bruno for.

I guess my point was if we can justify spending 70m (thats if the rumours are correct) on one position, especially from RBL. 

He looks like a mix of Bruno and Ben Arfa. I'd love him here. I think its valid to question the fee, league and team based the history of bundesliga players coming to the PL, specifically that club, our budget and on where we are as a club. Maybe its a luxury or a gamble we cant afford. Maybe it isnt. I dont have an issue with us signing him, I've been cumming all over my laptop watching his videos on youtube just like the rest of you. 

Maybe the bigger question here is how we can spend our 150m (or whatever it is) to minimalize risk, while still finding our next Botman, Isak or Bruno. 

 

 

 

Is that based on the assumption that our budget is 150m? Counter argument: would you sell ASM for 30million? 

[BonesJones]

7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Szoboszlai would be an incredible signing - how likely is it though?  It feels like we’re a year or two away from players like him, but perhaps the CL qualification opens up paths to this sort of player?

 

Personally I think pulling off the Isak signing is a huge shock. Bigger than Sboz.

 

We can definitely make these type of signings, will just depend on who else is trying to sign them aswell.

[Sufi]

37 minutes ago, CPL said:

Is that based on the assumption that our budget is 150m? Counter argument: would you sell ASM for 30million? 

Yes it purely based on the assumption that our budget is 150m. 
 

I would only sell him for 30m if we can get someone proven to be of similar quality for the same price. I love players like Moussa Diaby but if we sell ASM and sign Diaby or a similar player I dont really see the point. Especially if its someone from that league. I LOVE watching the bundesliga and how free flowing, end end the football is. If we sell ASM for 30 which seems low to me by current standards..I hope its due to tactics and EH wanting a different kind of player for 30m. I doubt we could find someone who does what he can do for 30m. I think hes in the 98 or 99th percentile for dribbles completed etc in the top leagues in europe.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Sufi

[Sufi]

9 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

 

Personally I think pulling off the Isak signing is a huge shock. Bigger than Sboz.

 

We can definitely make these type of signings, will just depend on who else is trying to sign them aswell.

The Isak one was a shock for sure. I think Szo would be less of a shock considering where we were when Isak signed as opposed to where we are now tbf.

[Sufi]

Highly touted player (Isak) breaks club transfer record to move to NUFC who were involved in a relegation battle, have new owners and a new manager.

Highly touted player (Szo) breaks club transfer record to move to NUFC who have just qualified for the champions league and been to a cup final, with a manager who is up for PL manager of the season.

 

[kingxlnc]

2 minutes ago, Sufi said:

The Isak one was a shock for sure. I think Szo would be less of a shock considering where we were when Isak signed as opposed to where we are now tbf.

An equivalent shock to Isak relative to where we are now would the upper echelon of player who is still young, for example a Musiala, Bellingham or Pedri/Gavi. I would have put Felix in this category but think he’s gettable now. 

[Sufi]

1 minute ago, kingxlnc said:

An equivalent shock to Isak relative to where we are now would the upper echelon of player who is still young, for example a Musiala, Bellingham or Pedri/Gavi. I would have put Felix in this category but think he’s gettable now. 

With all due respect I dont think any of those players are gettable. Maybe Felix but even thats pushing it and also not our most dire need positionally.

[Ikon]

Getting somone like Musiala/Bellingham now would be much more of a shock than Isak back then. Aint happening.

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Ikon

[r0cafella]

At this point neither Musiala or Bellingham are realistic as they are at big clubs and if they ever move would be primed for one of the elite. 
 

Isak was playing at Sociedad and his numbers weren’t great and the price was high which gave us the opportunity. 

[Gawalls]

8 hours ago, Sufi said:

I prefer the hungarian but I'm not sure we are in a position to gamble away 70m of our transfer funds on a player from RB, no matter how good he does look. 

I'll take Tierney, Maddison and a proven CB like Pavard. Then we can look at free transfers and loans to fill out the squad and provide cover at CB and CM, maybe even a young winger for competition, a proven RB on loan to cover tripps and we can send Ashby on loan with option to recall. 3rd choice CF and a backup GK if dubravka leaves. Maybe 4-5 transfers for money. 1-2 free transfers and a further 1-2 loans of experienced players, preferable at 3rd CF and backup RB, id even be fine going the loan route for a backup GK. That leaves LB, CB, 2 CMs and a winger. Very do-able with 150m and 1-2 players in on a free. I find it terrifying that we could have our biggest season in club history approaching and spend 70m on one 22 year old player from RBL hahaha. I'd welcome him and be hype for it but its fucking scary to think what the consequences would be...

I really want us to swing on young talented players from random leagues but with 150m to spend I think we need to be extremely careful on spending on players who will need time to adjust to a new league, players who are super young or play in a team with a unique system etc. Maybe 1 or 2 of those guys is fine. For 10-15m and another on a free. But 70m on Szo would be irresponsible use of our funds imo.

 

 

 

If you’re expecting nine transfer deals to be done this window then I think you’re gonna be disappointed.

[Gawalls]

6 hours ago, Sufi said:

Hahaha. I promise brother I'm not here to be winding anyone up.

Just playing devils advocate here. We cant afford a 70m from RBL who potentially flops or takes a year to get adjusted to EH and to England etc. 

So I guess I'm thinking of who we can sign that we know what we are getting. Less of a gamble. Lower ceiling but a higher floor. I think its a great year to scavenge off other teams in the prem. Those who are relegated, fallen on tough times etc. Lord knows it happened to us for decades.

Another random but related question, what about the recent Chelsea model with long contracts and future funds involved. Risky? Tying up all that FFP money going forward. 

The Chelsea model eight year thing is getting banned this summer.

[Ben]

6 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

If you’re expecting nine transfer deals to be done this window then I think you’re gonna be disappointed.

I think your right there, the likes of Ritchie and Lascelles will need to be kept on to improve the depth of the squad rather than sell the lot and Start again.

 

I reckon 4 players pushing a £200 million spend will be the target, which let's be honest is fucking amazing 

[Sufi]

5 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

If you’re expecting nine transfer deals to be done this window then I think you’re gonna be disappointed.

I dont expect 9. I think we may need 9 in. Our backup GK may go. Our LW may be off as well. We need a LB. We need 2 CM. We need competition at RW. We need a RCB. We need a backup RB. We need a 3rd CF. 

Wouldnt shock me at all if we bring 9 new faces in. Some on loan, some for free, some as backups for injury or emergency situations etc.

I'm fine with being dissapointed if its 5 or 6 instead of 9, but I dont see 9 as unrealistic considering the players who are on our bench who will surely be sold, and the above mentioned needs.