NE27 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Someone has to work in abbatoirs....doesn't make them scociopaths Obviously not, but it definitely takes a certain kind of person that's for sure. People will eat meat knowing fine well where it came from, doesn't mean they could work in an abbatoir slicing carcasses up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: How do you mean? Your literal job is to inflict death on a mass scale, every single day. It’s not like the animals don’t cry out/get scared. I think you have to be very clearly lacking empathy to not feel bad about it? don’t really know what you mean about McDonald’s and I don’t eat meat. There’s a reason it’s hidden from public view. And what about researchers who conduct animal testing and kill hundreds of animals a day to prove safety of products and medicinal drugs? Are they sociopaths too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 It's okay to eat fish, cause they don't have any feelings… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, ManDoon said: If someone put a bolt through a dog’s head, would you consider them sound of mind? That would be animal cruelty to them...animal cruelty only seems to apply to cats and dogs In this country though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I had a mate who worked one day at an Abbatoir and couldn’t hack it. He wasn’t a shrinking violet either. Not to cast aspersions on your step brother but I really do think you need to have some sort of sociopathic tendencies to work in those places long term (stifler ) He's a few stamps short of a free coffee and he's seen some serious shit in his life, but even he didn't stay there that long like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I love my meat and fish, but I do feel guilty because I know some poor animal will have been mostly inumanley killed if there is even a humane way to kill an animal. But I love Sharks and what they do to seals… We are top of the food chain! We definitely need to come up with a better system. I was in Kenya a few years back and saw goats and chickens have their throats cut there and then and then stripped, chopped up and cooked ready for our ‘feast’, the meat was delicious, but the experience traumatic. I’ve been experimenting with veganism at the moment and it’s going OK so far, I’d like to think going forward I’ll eat less meat and fish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, ManDoon said: There’s much worse out there, but I think a rational human response would be guilt, I certainly think that’s what most people would feel. I feel guilt that my steak isn’t big enough some times, does that count? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 The horse meat thing was the maddest like. It just goes to show how strong the boundaries we set are. I've said it before and I'll say it again like, make veganism as accessible as eating meat and I'll make the jump like. I'm half way there and eat meat less than I used to anyway, the food is sensational now as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HTT II said: I love my meat and fish, but I do feel guilty because I know some poor animal will have been mostly inumanley killed if there is even a humane way to kill an animal. But I love Sharks and what they do to seals… We are top of the food chain! We definitely need to come up with a better system. I was in Kenya a few years back and saw goats and chickens have their throats cut there and then and then stripped, chopped up and cooked ready for our ‘feast’, the meat was delicious, but the experience traumatic. I’ve been experimenting with veganism at the moment and it’s going OK so far, I’d like to think going forward I’ll eat less meat and fish. Veggie heads seem to forget or ignore the fact that there 1000s of rodents culled when growing and processing fruits and vegetables, also let’s not forget the amount of insects that are also wiped out for their food, guess it only counts though when it’s a cow/pig/chicken Edited June 1, 2022 by nufcnick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nufcnick said: Veggie heads seem to forget or ignore the fact that there 1000s of rodents culled when growing and processing fruits and vegetables, also let’s not forget the amount of insects that are also wiped out for their food, guess it only counts though when it’s a cow/pig/chicken Or the male chicks that are immediately killed in the egg industry, or the way cows are treated for milk. Tbf, I don't think anyone should be criticised anyway because it's more or less impossible to live an unhypocritical life - even vegans choosing soya are 'guilty' of funding deforestation. It's all a micro-consumerist distraction, if you're doing your best you're doing your best, if you're not you're not. Either way it's not the level at which change will make any difference beyond your own conscience. Edited June 1, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 45 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I had a mate who worked one day at an Abbatoir and couldn’t hack it. He wasn’t a shrinking violet either. Not to cast aspersions on your step brother but I really do think you need to have some sort of sociopathic tendencies to work in those places long term (stifler ) Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, HTT II said: I love my meat and fish, but I do feel guilty because I know some poor animal will have been mostly inumanley killed if there is even a humane way to kill an animal. But I love Sharks and what they do to seals… We are top of the food chain! We definitely need to come up with a better system. I was in Kenya a few years back and saw goats and chickens have their throats cut there and then and then stripped, chopped up and cooked ready for our ‘feast’, the meat was delicious, but the experience traumatic. I’ve been experimenting with veganism at the moment and it’s going OK so far, I’d like to think going forward I’ll eat less meat and fish. It isn't really a food chain though is it when the animals are just being bred into captivity then slaughtered. You could argue we were part of the food chain if we were hunting the animals in the wild but for factory farming it doesnt really work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 We are all hypocrites, we buy snide stuff from China, we buy Nike from sweat shops, we support a SA owned club. Like fuck will I go hungry though, for no animal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: It isn't really a food chain though is it when the animals are just being bred into captivity then slaughtered. You could argue we were part of the food chain if we were hunting the animals in the wild but for factory farming it doesnt really work. That’s what impresses me when on my travels, people generally farm in order to live, provide food for their family or say in Kenya the restaurant we went to, they would use live stock there and there, not processed, manufactured or massively farmed stock. Different worlds, different strokes, different beefs… Edited June 1, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Or the male chicks that are immediately killed in the egg industry, or the way cows are treated for milk. Tbf, I don't think anyone should be criticised anyway because it's more or less impossible to live an unhypocritical life - even vegans choosing soya are 'guilty' of funding deforestation. It's all a micro-consumerist distraction, if you're doing your best you're doing your best, if you're not you're not. Either way it's not the level at which change will make any difference beyond your own conscience. Exactly, if we suddenly stopped eating animals and switched to a vegan/vegetarian diet, there would be millions, if not over a billion deaths due to there being not enough food to go around, the switch would lead to even more deforestation due to the need for more space for agriculture, veggie heads don’t really consider that though and are probably happier for a human to die through malnutrition than to let someone eat an animal. Edited June 1, 2022 by nufcnick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: It isn't really a food chain though is it when the animals are just being bred into captivity then slaughtered. You could argue we were part of the food chain if we were hunting the animals in the wild but for factory farming it doesnt really work. We are part of the food chain, but we are at the top. Thanks to weapons, technology more so… but we did invent that shit so… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 The food chain argument doesn't hold up imo. The fact that we have a developed conscience coinciding with industrialised, alternative ways to get the nutrients we need is what sharply distringuishes as being separate from the rest of the food chain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Can someone swing this back to Zouma? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, nufcnick said: Exactly, if we suddenly stopped eating animals and switched to a vegan/vegetarian diet, there would be millions, if not over a billion deaths due to there being not enough food to go around, the switch would lead to even more deforestation due to the need for more space for agriculture, veggie heads don’t really consider that though and are probably happier for a human to die through malnutrition than to let someone eat an animal. FWIW the point I was making was more that the changes need to happen above rather than they shouldn't happen. We have an abundance of food worldwide that's being thrown out while 9 million people starve to death every year, all to uphold capitalism. I'm pretty sure we could reduce the amount of meat we consume and still have enough food to go around, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, Yorkie said: Can someone swing this back to Zouma? Why? Just let people talk man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, nufcnick said: Exactly, if we suddenly stopped eating animals and switched to a vegan/vegetarian diet, there would be millions, if not over a billion deaths due to there being not enough food to go around, the switch would lead to even more deforestation due to the need for more space for agriculture, veggie heads don’t really consider that though and are probably happier for a human to die through malnutrition than to let someone eat an animal. I was of the understanding that if we suddenly stopped eating animals, that's SUDDENLY, then there would indeed be millions of deaths but those deaths would be animals no longer needed for food. They'd be destroyed. There actually would be more food to go around for humans. The majority of land and produce grown there upon goes towards animal production. We try and have at least 2 veggie meals a week. Need to do better obvs. I follow, fwiw, the likes of Dominic Dyer and John Oberg on twatter and some of the content that rabbit hole goes to is horrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, nufcnick said: Exactly, if we suddenly stopped eating animals and switched to a vegan/vegetarian diet, there would be millions, if not over a billion deaths due to there being not enough food to go around, the switch would lead to even more deforestation due to the need for more space for agriculture, veggie heads don’t really consider that though and are probably happier for a human to die through malnutrition than to let someone eat an animal. Have you any idea how much food and water it takes to get a single cow to slaughter weight. If we instead grew crops to feed people instead of to feed to the animals to then eat them we could feed the world many times over. See also the amount of land and rainforest being destroyed to craze cattle. You've got it completely back to front. Edited June 1, 2022 by WillingtonMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Why? Just let people talk man. I'm not one to step on a good old chinwag and hot chat but howeh, folks are in the footy section for footy chat shirley... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Just now, Yorkie said: I'm not one to step on a good old chinwag and hot chat but howeh, folks are in the footy section for footy chat shirley... It's football related a footballer has just received a sentence for animal cruelty and we are discussing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Can someone swing this back to Zouma? That’s what got him into trouble, that swing of his… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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