Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Tiresias said:

It was reported at start of summer Isak wanted to stay but he wanted for the club to be competitive in the champions league. He cant be totally reassured by our ongoing ramshackle transfer efforts so I imagine he is thinking about Liverpool or others. I sincerely doubt he will refuse to play or anything so we can insist. If we can just get some players over the line may also reassure him.

Not sure how reassuring Howe’s ‘the players we’ve approached weren’t interested’ line from his presser yesterday will be in that regard

[tarie4]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

But it isn’t based ‘on a forecast’.  It isn’t based upon projections, nor assumptions, nor guesses.  PSR is based upon very, very simple maths.  Isak’s transfer fee - which is on our books every season in ‘amortised’ form - would reduce in the season from over £12m to over £5m.  It you gave him the difference, it would have no impact on PSR calcs.  I don’t give a shite what the football hacks have written - they’ve proven over enough time that despite it being their ‘profession’, they write shite for low salaries. 

[Tiresias]

Indeed. It's wildly clear we have overestimated our pull, our wages aren't competitive with our direct champions league rivals. We really need to go back to targeting players who are unfortunately riskier purchases. Our team were excellent at finding players with the needed mentality in Bruno, (even Joelinton in pre takeover days) and Isak all for some reason were willing to make the jump but clearly not seen as surefire successes. We have shifted profile to players who are seen as ready made squad additions for our equivalent rivals and we have not matched them on wages and we are not in fucking london, and we're probably not going to win the league or the champions league. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Tiresias said:

Indeed. It's wildly clear we have overestimated our pull, our wages aren't competitive with our direct champions league rivals. We really need to go back to targeting players who are unfortunately riskier purchases. Our team were excellent at finding players with the needed mentality in Bruno, (even Joelinton in pre takeover days) and Isak all for some reason were willing to make the jump but clearly not seen as surefire successes. We have shifted profile to players who are seen as ready made squad additions for our equivalent rivals and we have not matched them on wages and we are not in fucking london, and we're probably not going to win the league or the champions league. 

100%.  The strategy has been flawed - don’t get me wrong, I like ambition, it’s great, but this is another transfer window where we’re just not nailing this.  Newcastle United are still not a ‘big club’ - a League Cup and CL qualification isn’t going to alter that.   We have to shop in the next bracket down - and we should be able to attract players ahead of Brighton or even Villa etc.  Plenty of time in the window yet, but they’ve lost a lot of time and some of the players who may have been sensibly targeted may have already moved.  

[Goldbossed]

8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

But it isn’t based ‘on a forecast’.  It isn’t based upon projections, nor assumptions, nor guesses.  PSR is based upon very, very simple maths.  Isak’s transfer fee - which is on our books every season in ‘amortised’ form - would reduce in the season from over £12m to over £7m.  It you gave him the difference, it would have no impact on PSR calcs.  I don’t give a shite what the football hacks have written - they’ve proven over enough time that despite it being their ‘profession’, they write shite for low salaries. 

 

 

 

Except your whole calculation is based on Isak being happy with a £100k salary increase. If he’s on a reported £120k, who is to say he doesn’t want £250k a week. That passes the threshold in your calculations. Then you factor in the impact it has on the other players the club wants to extend, and then the players Newcastle intend to sign. They will use the isak wage increase as a yard stick for negotiations. Newcastle simply  aren’t in a position to push the boat on a single player at the cost of ruining their wage structure. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

100%.  The strategy has been flawed - don’t get me wrong, I like ambition, it’s great, but this is another transfer window where we’re just not nailing this.  Newcastle United are still not a ‘big club’ - a League Cup and CL qualification isn’t going to alter that.   We have to shop in the next bracket down - and we should be able to attract players ahead of Brighton or even Villa etc.  Plenty of time in the window yet, but they’ve lost a lot of time and some of the players who may have been sensibly targeted may have already moved.  

How do you classify which player belong to which bracket? I don't think it's so easy honestly. 

 

I think PSR has caused a great convergence, everyone wants the same type of player and that's pushed prices through the roof. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Goldbossed said:

Except your whole calculation is based on Isak being happy with a £100k salary increase. If he’s on a reported £120k, who is to say he doesn’t want £250k a week. That passes the threshold in your calculations. Then you factor in the impact it has on the other players the club wants to extend, and then the players Newcastle intend to sign. They will use the isak wage increase as a yard stick for negotiations. Newcastle simply  aren’t in a position to push the boat on a single player at the cost of ruining their wage structure. 

11 post all on this topic, which part of Liverpool are you from?

[Chris_R]

If we need to keep our best players, and therefore need to pay more wages, quite simply we need to increase our income. 

 

I know our income HAS increased, but one thing that's completely disappointed me over the last few years has been the lack of big new commercial deals. 

 

You see Man City announce a 1bn contract with Puma over the next decade. Other teams are getting 60, 70, even 90m/year from kit sponsorship. And that's just direct kit sponsorship, there's so many more avenues.

 

We can't get those giant numbers today but we seem to be content to instead get nothing. We can't wait until we're massive to announce deals because we need deals to become massive. Sign loads and loads of 1-2 year deals now, invest that in players and hope we can sign bigger deals further down the line. 

 

Our lack of commercial progress has been incredibly disappointing to me. I expected so much more.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2025 by Chris_R

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Goldbossed said:

Except your whole calculation is based on Isak being happy with a £100k salary increase. If he’s on a reported £120k, who is to say he doesn’t want £250k a week. That passes the threshold in your calculations. Then you factor in the impact it has on the other players the club wants to extend, and then the players Newcastle intend to sign. They will use the isak wage increase as a yard stick for negotiations. Newcastle simply  aren’t in a position to push the boat on a single player at the cost of ruining their wage structure. 

Yeah, completely agree on that front - if he wants more than that, it absolutely starts having a PSR impact (though the PSR impact of tens of thousands extra per week isn’t significant).  If he wants say £400k pw then that becomes an issue.  But that’s a lot of ‘give’ - and if other players at the club are unsettled by one of the world’s best forwards getting more than them, I’d suggest that they wind their neck in or score the goals he does. 

[Cf]

If Isak is planning to leave next summer whether we offer him an increase in salary or not then why exactly would we offer him more money?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Chris_R said:

If we need to keep our best players, and therefore need to pay more wages, quite simply we need to increase our income. 

 

I know our income HAS increased, but one thing that's completely disappointed me over the last few years has been the lack of big new commercial deals. 

 

You see Man City announce a 1bn contract with Puma over the next decade. Other teams are getting 60, 70, even 90m/year from kit sponsorship. And that's just direct lot sponsorship, there's so many more avenues.

 

We can't get those giant numbers today but we seem to be content to instead get nothing. We can't wait until we're massive to announce freaks because we need deals to become massive. Sign loads and loads of 1-2 year deals now, invest that in players and hope we can sign bigger deals further down the line. 

 

Our lack of commercial progress has been incredibly disappointing to me. I expected so much more.

It’s been poor to date - but don’t tell @Unbelievable that (just kidding @Unbelievable )

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

How do you classify which player belong to which bracket? I don't think it's so easy honestly. 

 

I think PSR has caused a great convergence, everyone wants the same type of player and that's pushed prices through the roof. 

Yeah, it’s tricky - and I think the uniformity of playing styles etc is impacting everything too. 

[Keegans Export]

6 minutes ago, Goldbossed said:

Except your whole calculation is based on Isak being happy with a £100k salary increase. If he’s on a reported £120k, who is to say he doesn’t want £250k a week. That passes the threshold in your calculations. Then you factor in the impact it has on the other players the club wants to extend, and then the players Newcastle intend to sign. They will use the isak wage increase as a yard stick for negotiations. Newcastle simply  aren’t in a position to push the boat on a single player at the cost of ruining their wage structure. 

You mean "we"....right?

[LFEE]

12 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Which players play for 30 years professionally?  What proportion of footballers become pundits / managers?

One’s who want and need to. Too much ego going down divisions but could still earn money.

 

Always coaching/managing/punditry again if they want it but many don’t as multi millionaires if sensible with their money.

 

Plenty of spare time also to study for a career beyond football also.

 

 

[JT24]

9 minutes ago, Goldbossed said:

Except your whole calculation is based on Isak being happy with a £100k salary increase. If he’s on a reported £120k, who is to say he doesn’t want £250k a week. That passes the threshold in your calculations. Then you factor in the impact it has on the other players the club wants to extend, and then the players Newcastle intend to sign. They will use the isak wage increase as a yard stick for negotiations. Newcastle simply  aren’t in a position to push the boat on a single player at the cost of ruining their wage structure. 

@admin let’s ban Liverpool fans

[Goldbossed]

10 minutes ago, Cf said:

If Isak is planning to leave next summer whether we offer him an increase in salary or not then why exactly would we offer him more money?

He wants to leave this summer. Yesterday should have been a wake up call, but some are still burying their heads in the sand. He will know more than most, how few clubs out there, can fulfil his financial and football ambitions. Liverpool fulfil both. The door is closed atm for city and arsenal. Barcelona can’t afford him, Real Madrid don’t have space for him. That leaves psg who might not want him. Isak isn’t some up and coming superstar. Hes almost 26 so the clock is already ticking. 

[NE27]

Just now, Goldbossed said:

He wants to leave this summer

 

You best get the chequebook out then.

[r0cafella]

NGL having Scousers come on here and tell us about our own players is nasty. 

 

Even arsenal fans didn't stoop so low

[David Edgar]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

NGL having Scousers come on here and tell us about our own players is nasty. 

 

Even arsenal fans didn't stoop so low

 

Scouse frogs?

[Gawalls]

22 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

How do you classify which player belong to which bracket? I don't think it's so easy honestly. 

 

I think PSR has caused a great convergence, everyone wants the same type of player and that's pushed prices through the roof. 

 The cartel letting you want them and our bids getting accepted is a good starting point, like Elanga, livs, Botman, Bruno, Tonali, Hall, Isak at the time - we were allowed to buy them and most bring gambles as they had no prem experience. It’s not as if our doing this ended in a failure so it’s a case of Jesus Christ, let’s not try that again. It feels like somewhere our targets have become more obvious and predictable.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2025 by Gawalls

[Goldbossed]

2 minutes ago, Goldbossed said:

He wants to leave this summer. Yesterday should have been a wake up call, but some are still burying their heads in the sand. He will know more than most, how few clubs out there, can fulfil his financial and football ambitions. Liverpool fulfil both. The door is closed atm for city and arsenal. Barcelona can’t afford him, Real Madrid don’t have space for him. That leaves psg who might not want him. Isak isn’t some up and coming superstar. Hes almost 26 so the clock is already ticking. 

Sell him now, get a cash injection that allows Newcastle to upgrade 3 positions to the required level. Keep him and  struggle wire incomings having to penny pinch. Likelihood is that Newcastle won’t qualify for UCL in 26/27 and sell isak next season, having less cash to replace isak with and having no UCL to tempt incoming players. Really don’t see how delaying the inevitable, is anything than an act of pride. Pride isn’t going to help Newcastle achieve their goals  

[JT24]

Just now, Goldbossed said:

Sell him now, get a cash injection that allows Newcastle to upgrade 3 positions to the required level. Keep him and  struggle wire incomings having to penny pinch. Likelihood is that Newcastle won’t qualify for UCL in 26/27 and sell isak next season, having less cash to replace isak with and having no UCL to tempt incoming players. Really don’t see how delaying the inevitable, is anything than an act of pride. Pride isn’t going to help Newcastle achieve their goals  

Man shut the fuck up

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

 There’s cartel letting you want them and our bids getting accepted is a good starting point, like Elanga, livs, Botman, Bruno, Tonali, Hall, Isak at the time - we were allowed to buy them and most bring gambles as they had no prem experience. It’s not as if our doing this ended in a failure so it’s a case of Jesus Christ, let’s not try that again. It feels like somewhere our targets have become more obvious and predictable.

Yeah precisely, so basically we have to take outsized risks, but even then wouldn't ekitike be the definition of such a profile?

 

We probably though the mental asking price insulated us from competition as before we went in nobody was paying that fee. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Goldbossed said:

Sell him now, get a cash injection that allows Newcastle to upgrade 3 positions to the required level. Keep him and  struggle wire incomings having to penny pinch. Likelihood is that Newcastle won’t qualify for UCL in 26/27 and sell isak next season, having less cash to replace isak with and having no UCL to tempt incoming players. Really don’t see how delaying the inevitable, is anything than an act of pride. Pride isn’t going to help Newcastle achieve their goals  

@Rich can we ban this cunt? Serous request

[Choppy Chop Chop]

1 minute ago, Goldbossed said:

Sell him now, get a cash injection that allows Newcastle to upgrade 3 positions to the required level. Keep him and  struggle wire incomings having to penny pinch. Likelihood is that Newcastle won’t qualify for UCL in 26/27 and sell isak next season, having less cash to replace isak with and having no UCL to tempt incoming players. Really don’t see how delaying the inevitable, is anything than an act of pride. Pride isn’t going to help Newcastle achieve their goals  

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