Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

A scenario where he's been forced into these actions isn't plausible, he's an adult who's a millionaire. If he wants to leave it's fine but doing so in this way is unacceptable. He's trying to create a scenario whereby we LOSE and for that's it's fuck him. 

To a degree, he needs to be burned. But at the same time, if he accepts his lot if we choose to keep him, and makes good with the team, then o think we should as well. Because fuck Liverpool and the vampire clubs.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2025 by Vinny Green Balls

[Sibierski]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Bro seriously

 

And I blame those people as well. You don't get a free pass on your actions because you were told to do something particularly when your a millionaire. 

 

If the club choose to be absolute mugs that's up to them and anyone is welcome to join them but actions speak louder than words and no agent is holding a gun to his head. 

Why does being a millionaire have anything to do with it? 
 

People get told to do X, Y, Z every day and follow those. You have players at clubs all wear t-shirts in past for support of players because they’ve been instructed too. 
 

Once he was instructed to pull out of the tour, that was it for the short term. No rowing back on that as he couldn’t then join up. Next telling landmark will be when we come back from the tour and if he links back up with the squad (if no bid is made and fee being agreed). 
 

If we wasn’t on a tour on other side of world, Isak would be back with the squad. Like Wissa will be going back to Brentford training now they’re back in the UK. 

[oldtype]

I'm as disappointed about this as anyone, but I think folks are being a bit thin-skinned about it. 

 

So far all he's done is put Romano on retainer to keep tweeting out the same vague statements every day and handed in a sick note to avoid a pre-season trip to halfway across the world that doesn't really matter and nobody wants to go to in the first place.

 

There are myriad ways he could be more disruptive than this if he chose to. So far we (1) haven't seen any statement that he wants to leave attributed directly to him, his agent, or even "sources close to him"; (2) no declaration that he will refuse to train or refuse to play games that actually matter; (3) no attempt to attack the club's reputation through his proxies in the press (he was lied to about a new contract, we're a shambles without an executive director and PIF doesn't care about us anymore etc.) For what it's worth, Wissa has already done #2 and #3 with Brentford.

 

There's no doubt he wants to go to Liverpool, but frankly it seems to me that he's hedging his bets so he can be quietly re-integrated into the squad with plausible deniability if it doesn't work out this summer.

 

I understand that this is something new to all of us because we're not used to having players who the biggest clubs in the world are willing to pay over a hundred million pounds for. But if we're going to keep growing as a club, we should get used to the fact that players of this ilk have more leverage than even your garden-variety really good player and like to flaunt it from time to time. We're all going to be miserable as a fanbase going forward if we lose our minds every time this happens. Even the likes of Liverpool or Man United can have their best players tapped up by Real Madrid/Barcelona.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2025 by oldtype

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

To a degree, he needs to be burned. But at the same time, if he accepts his lot if we choose to keep him, and makes good with the team, then o think we should as well. Because fuck Liverpool and the vampire clubs.

 

 

 

 

No matter the outcome, for me at least I'll never have that level of support for him. It will just be clock watching when is this cuht leaving type vibe. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Sibierski said:

Why does being a millionaire have anything to do with it? 
 

People get told to do X, Y, Z every day and follow those. You have players at clubs all wear t-shirts in past for support of players because they’ve been instructed too. 
 

Once he was instructed to pull out of the tour, that was it for the short term. No rowing back on that as he couldn’t then join up. Next telling landmark will be when we come back from the tour and if he links back up with the squad (if no bid is made and fee being agreed). 
 

If we wasn’t on a tour on other side of world, Isak would be back with the squad. Like Wissa will be going back to Brentford training now they’re back in the UK. 

A lot, to me at least. 

 

Your not talking about someone who is broke and willing to do anything. That's understandable your talking about someone who has the resources to hire the best to achieve whatever goals he has. Countless transfers happen on a yearly basis and rarely do they play out in such an unprofessional manner. 

 

You keep banging on boot instructed to it's like you misunderstood the power dynamic, his agent is working on his behalf it isn't the other way around, the player is responsible for the actions of the agent not the other way around. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

Superior Acuna was right when he said that we need a siege mentality right now. We are being fucked with by the vampires clubs and the media because we are getting closer to taking a colossal shit on their apple cart. A friend of a friend just put a comforting hand on me when her son mentioned Isak at a party. The fucker hasn’t even left and everyone just thinks that it happened because of this incessant narrative. The club really does need to show a united front, which hasn’t emerged at all yet. 

 

 

[Vinny Green Balls]

This may actually be of some benefit if we can get bodies in and accept Isak back into the fold. The whole club probably feels like it’s us against the world at this point. I don’t doubt that Howe will be drilling that into them.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

This may actually be of some benefit if we can get bodies in and accept Isak back into the fold. The whole club probably feels like it’s us against the world at this point. I don’t doubt that Howe will be drilling that into them.

I don't think a good off ramp exists for us tbh. 

 

We are obviously struggling to get a replacement 

Even if you manage to convince him to stay he isn't going to be here in 12 months 

 

I guess right now, best case is he stays for 12 months and performs as good as he ever has? 

[oldtype]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I don't think a good off ramp exists for us tbh. 

 

We are obviously struggling to get a replacement 

Even if you manage to convince him to stay he isn't going to be here in 12 months 

 

I guess right now, best case is he stays for 12 months and performs as good as he ever has?

That and a hundred million pounds into the club's coffers at the end of it seems like a pretty good outcome to me.

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I don't think a good off ramp exists for us tbh. 

 

We are obviously struggling to get a replacement 

Even if you manage to convince him to stay he isn't going to be here in 12 months 

 

I guess right now, best case is he stays for 12 months and performs as good as he ever has? 

Which would be a great case. Yeah he’s likely gone anyway, but it has to be on our terms, not his and the Scouser’s. Senior players’ job to accept him back into for the good of the club if that’s the case. Won’t help if we boo him.

[The Prophet]

Doesn't seem like we're budging.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, The Prophet said:

Doesn't seem like we're budging.

This would be the only good news we’ve gotten in weeks so far if true.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, oldtype said:

That and a hundred million pounds into the club's coffers at the end of it seems like a pretty good outcome to me.

 

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Which would be a great case. Yeah he’s likely gone anyway, but it has to be on our terms, not his and the Scouser’s. Senior players’ job to accept him back into for the good of the club if that’s the case. Won’t help if we boo him.

We've had money this summer though, market is inflated the Sesko fee is ridiculous. We don't actually get much for our 100m. 

 

Personally I'm not sure being in this same position next summer is a good off ram BUT I do follow both of your logic. 

[Nucasol]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Doesn't seem like we're budging.

Given the paucity of options for a replacement I’m fully on board the “keep him regardless” train. Get the second striker and other reinforcements in and drive a bidding war next summer when more clubs have need/capacity for him.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Nucasol said:

Given the paucity of options for a replacement I’m fully on board the “keep him regardless” train. Get the second striker and other reinforcements in and drive a bidding war next summer when more clubs have need/capacity for him.

Liverpool have bounced us into that position which is hilarious. 

[Nucasol]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Liverpool have bounced us into that position which is hilarious. 

If they’d stepped off Ekitike they’d have probably got him by now.

[Vinny Green Balls]

 

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

 

We've had money this summer though, market is inflated the Sesko fee is ridiculous. We don't actually get much for our 100m. 

 

Personally I'm not sure being in this same position next summer is a good off ram BUT I do follow both of your logic. 

Sadly I think that’s easily one of the best case scenarios at this point though. Have a good season,  and figure out the main striker problem next summer while hopefully getting in a good backup (which sounds like a big ask right now).

[r0cafella]

Just now, Nucasol said:

If they’d stepped off Ekitike they’d have probably got him by now.

Yes and no, because Liverpool are both greedy and arrogant. They want both but they don't want to pay the going rate for idak because they spunked a load already. It's why they've taken this extremely destructive approach. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

 

Sadly I think that’s easily one of the best case scenarios at this point though. Have a good season,  and figure out the main striker problem next summer while hopefully getting in a good backup (which sounds like a big ask right now).

Yeah I do have that as best case as well, I just don't think it's particularly good but we are running out of time and options at this point. 

[Nucasol]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Yes and no, because Liverpool are both greedy and arrogant. They want both but they don't want to pay the going rate for idak because they spunked a load already. It's why they've taken this extremely destructive approach. 

Absolutely. Now comes a further ramp up of their paid schills. Expect some Gordon rumours too for good measure and further unsettling.

[Nucasol]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah I do have that as best case as well, I just don't think it's particularly good but we are running out of time and options at this point. 

I see Wissa coming in, he’s gone even more scorched earth than Isak. Brentford just need to buy his replacement (easier said than done given the pool of strikers) once Phil Giles fires up his database.

[oldtype]

6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

 

We've had money this summer though, market is inflated the Sesko fee is ridiculous. We don't actually get much for our 100m. 

 

Personally I'm not sure being in this same position next summer is a good off ram BUT I do follow both of your logic. 

 

Market won't always be this inflated. Even the big clubs can't spend this much money every single window, and we'll have had a year to develop a robust target list with a new executive team in place.

 

If we just don't want to sell him because we think we'll never be able to sign good players again then what's even the point, might as well give up. Have to trust that the club will have the ability to react better with more time and less competition.

[Ritchie]

Is Transfer Checker reliable? It looks a bit dodgy to me.

[Optimistic Nut]

We'll get the unnecessary non-updates from Romano later about how Liverpool still haven't officially bid.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

I see Wissa coming in, he’s gone even more scorched earth than Isak. Brentford just need to buy his replacement (easier said than done given the pool of strikers) once Phil Giles fires up his database.

Wissa isn't a player id buy however we are clearly in deep shit and thus we have little choice. 

2 minutes ago, oldtype said:

 

Market won't always be this inflated. Even the big clubs can't spend this much money every single window, and we'll have had a year to develop a robust target list with a new executive team in place.

 

If we just don't want to sell him because we think we'll never be able to sign good players again then what's even the point, might as well give up. Have to trust that the club will have the ability to react better with more time and less competition.

I'm not sure. I don't recall the transfer market ever deflating and with the amount of holes in PSR more clubs will be spending more and more. It's basically an arms race. 

[Chris_R]

2 minutes ago, Ritchie said:

Is Transfer Checker reliable? It looks a bit dodgy to me.

 

Anything that says stuff in our favour is reliable information direct from well-placed club sources, whilst anything that says something against our interests is rage-inducing clickbait nonsense just farming for engagement.