Chris_R Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, Wilson said: you sound as sure as the lino who couldn't have been sure considering the VAR footage wasn't even clear. I'm sure because I've seen the stills of when the ball was played, Isak was ahead of the defender. Doesn't matter that the linesman didn't have this footage, because he was correct. Yes it was marginal, but he was offside. We need to stop whinging about a tight but correct call that went against us, it's pathetic. Let's not become those kind of supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Adam P said: That didn't answer the question to be fair so maybe you have elsewhere. If Wilson is fit, does he replace Almiron? If he plays off Wilson as you suggest above, do we then need to change the system or not? As playing 'off the front man' is not Almiron's role. Or does he go wide and then also put the defensive shift that in that we expect from Almiron. Reasonable questions iyam and having read the transfer thread, i am pretty sure repetition isn't frowned upon. Think I discussed this somewhere else already regarding him playing that right side in more of a free role, and not necessarily having to cover the full back. Rather just wait for them to be paired together. The conversation feels like it's just going round in circles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Its not going round in circles for me, the player has just joined and we havent seen him play in the first 11 with a fully fit squad. These are open questions so if they have been answered 'elsewhere' you could just point to where that is. You seem reluctant to nail your colours to the mast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 No, I just can't be bothered right now. I feel like his style of play and positional versatility has been discussed more than enough. Maybe I'll dig it up later. All I will say for certainty is he can play off the front man as a second striker or as a wide forward with freedom to find space and get on the ball, as well as make runs in behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 A quick browse of Transfermarkt suggests that he's played out wide four times in his entire career. It's likely to be him or Wilson you'd imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 It will be fine to rest Isak for the five or six games where Wilson is not injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: A quick browse of Transfermarkt suggests that he's played out wide four times in his entire career. It's likely to be him or Wilson you'd imagine. He might be a good Inside forward also. Howe will make that assessment. I'd like to see them play together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Adam P said: That didn't answer the question to be fair so maybe you have elsewhere. If Wilson is fit, does he replace Almiron? If he plays off Wilson as you suggest above, do we then need to change the system or not? As playing 'off the front man' is not Almiron's role. Or does he go wide and then also put the defensive shift that in that we expect from Almiron. Reasonable questions iyam and having read the transfer thread, i am pretty sure repetition isn't frowned upon. Starting Line up for the benefit of TV fans: ASM Wilson Isak Joelinton Bruno Almiron Targett Botman Schar Trippier Pope How it works in practice: ASM Wilson Isak Almiron/Trippier Targett Joelinton Bruno Trippier/Almiron Botman Schar Pope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 hours ago, KaKa said: No, I just can't be bothered right now. I feel like his style of play and positional versatility has been discussed more than enough. Maybe I'll dig it up later. All I will say for certainty is he can play off the front man as a second striker or as a wide forward with freedom to find space and get on the ball, as well as make runs in behind. Think given our business in summer it's a safe bet that Isak will play off Wilson quite a bit this season. Could see it being the go to strategy against teams we're expecting to dominate and maybe having Almiron off Isak against tougher opposition... in theory, at least. I'd imagine much will depend on who's available game to game. What do you think his long term best position is though? Do you think long term we'll be looking to buy someone like Diaby to play off Isak or a top CF for Isak to play off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, McDog said: He might be a good Inside forward also. Howe will make that assessment. I'd like to see them play together. He might be but do we pay £60m on the off chance? Look what happened with Joelinton when we did vice versa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 So he can beat you with a dummy, And he's got so much more to offer. Watch him score goals for Newcastle, He scores goals like they're nothing. (Woah-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh) He scores goals like they're nothing. (Woah-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh) He scores goals like they're nothing. (Woah-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 He had is best season as the lone forward, no? This suggests he's comfortable playing in any of the forward areas, regardless of starting position. In the video I watched, and against Liverpool, he seemed equally confident attacking from both sides of the pitch. And his confidence in striking the ball [powerful with his right and crafty with his weaker left] I have no worries about him turning into Joelinton [the striker]. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 53 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Starting Line up for the benefit of TV fans: ASM Wilson Isak Joelinton Bruno Almiron Targett Botman Schar Trippier Pope How it works in practice: ASM Wilson Isak Almiron/Trippier Targett Joelinton Bruno Trippier/Almiron Botman Schar Pope Interesting. I dont think Eddie will start all 4 of them together but he could do. We will have to wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Shak said: Think given our business in summer it's a safe bet that Isak will play off Wilson quite a bit this season. Could see it being the go to strategy against teams we're expecting to dominate and maybe having Almiron off Isak against tougher opposition... in theory, at least. I'd imagine much will depend on who's available game to game. What do you think his long term best position is though? Do you think long term we'll be looking to buy someone like Diaby to play off Isak or a top CF for Isak to play off? Long term he'll definitely be the main man upfront IMO. He's a modern day complete forward. However, in the interim, he'll also be used in creative ways alongside Wilson to allow us to have our most talented players on the pitch together. It won't be too dissimilar to the way Howe used Josh King, who played as a lead striker at times, as a second striker off Wilson, as well as in a wide forward role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Happinesstan said: Starting Line up for the benefit of TV fans: ASM Wilson Isak Joelinton Bruno Almiron Targett Botman Schar Trippier Pope How it works in practice: ASM Wilson Isak Almiron/Trippier Targett Joelinton Bruno Trippier/Almiron Botman Schar Pope Exactly. Nicely put There'll be a lot more fluidity to the way it works. The starting positions won't be fixed and rigid ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just now, KaKa said: Long term he'll definitely be the main man upfront IMO. He's a modern day complete forward. However, in the interim, he'll also be used in creative ways alongside Wilson to allow us to have our most talented players on the pitch together. It won't be too dissimilar to the way Howe used Josh King, who played as a lead striker at times, as a second striker off Wilson, as well as in a wide forward role. Yeah. I think more of a free role in support of Wilson, while he's perfecting his craft. Finding positions in the box that Willock should currently be finding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: He might be but do we pay £60m on the off chance? Look what happened with Joelinton when we did vice versa. On the off chance? No, they would have determined where they could play him as they scouted him. I'm sure they have a good idea what they want to do. I think with Big Joe, it was kind of obvious what he couldn't do well, and that's play up top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Just now, Happinesstan said: Yeah. I think more of a free role in support of Wilson, while he's perfecting his craft. Finding positions in the box that Willock should currently be finding. Yes, that's how I see it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Thats obvious, what isnt is that Howe will start ASM, Wilson, Isak and Almiron with Almiron starting essentially in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 So Isak replaces Willock in the starting 11 when Wilson is fit? Got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: Exactly. Nicely put There'll be a lot more fluidity to the way it works. The starting positions won't be fixed and rigid ones. Yeah you have to imagine the movement of course. But I picture Almiron, Bruno and Trips as a whirlwind down the right wing, doing irreperable damage to the opposition's defensive shape. With ASM Wilson and Isak ready to pounce. The left wing speaks for itself, but with Isak attacking the far post and Wilson in the 6 yard box, just you try doubling up on Maxi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Adam P said: So Isak replaces Willock in the starting 11 when Wilson is fit? Got it. In the list, yes. Not in the tactical gameplan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Is this the whirlwind tactical game plan of your inner eye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Adam P said: Is this the whirlwind tactical game plan of your inner eye? Have you watched Almiron and Trippier at all this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Can I ask a question ... When Demba Ba was playing on the left side for us, how would people describe that position he was playing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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