England’s Anthony Gordon

[rutland]

5 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Picture from that very match has emerged @ChronicleLive

 

 

 

Well, the Chronicle (I know) was reporting that he'd been assessed by the medical team on Tuesday and it wasn't as bad as first feared.

[Shearergol]

1 hour ago, Displayname said:

Just looked at the table and my god  Maybe you are on to something.

 

Honestly mate, they're miles below the level it takes to play in a premier league game. They'll be a massive overhaul over the next year or two I think.

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

Honestly mate, they're miles below the level it takes to play in a premier league game. They'll be a massive overhaul over the next year or two I think.

Didn't we sign a few canny ones? Irish lad from AC Milan? Think we took someone from Wolves too?

[SteV]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

Honestly mate, they're miles below the level it takes to play in a premier league game. They'll be a massive overhaul over the next year or two I think.

Tbf, the overhaul has already started, given the number of U16’s we signed at the start of the season.

 

Unfortunately it’ll take at least a couple of seasons before that starts to have any impact.

[Erikse]

3 hours ago, Kanji said:

Here we go, we’ve got the internet physios saying an on the field test is aggressive. We’ve got people saying he’s played so much that a non contact injury in his knee is the cause of fatigue that is the cause of being played too much and we’ve got the knives and witch hunt back again. 

 

Did you know that managing workload in reltation to risk of injuries is part of a managers job? Players who are being overloaded are of a much higher risk of injury, those of the kind that Gordon, Willock, Isak and Joelinton and Trippier got for instance. I don't get how people try to deny that the manager has any control over how many injuries that we are likely to get..

 

 

Edited March 13, 2024 by Erikse

[arnonel]

Hindsight is a magical thing isn't it.

 

I would have won the lottery if I had just chosen the right numbers. Stupid of me not to. It was so obvious

[Shearergol]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

Tbf, the overhaul has already started, given the number of U16’s we signed at the start of the season.

 

Unfortunately it’ll take at least a couple of seasons before that starts to have any impact.

 

Yep, you're right, probably 3-4 years before any of them see first team action.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, arnonel said:

Hindsight is a magical thing isn't it.

 

I would have won the lottery if I had just chosen the right numbers. Stupid of me not to. It was so obvious

 

I mean it's not hindsight to comment that Gordon has been getting flogged all season because we've been so short of bodies that he's played just about every game this season. That said, this injury might be totally unrelated to getting overworked, but it would have been a surprise if he'd gone through a full campaign without breaking down at some point.

[The College Dropout]

I had assumed he was tough as houses to not pick up an injury by now tbf. He's been getting flogged.

 

I'm not going to tempt fate with another remark.

[TheGuv]

18 hours ago, Mattoon said:

I don't get why everyone is laying into the physio for a standard ROM test, the only thing you could possibly say is that he was probably a bit aggressive with his test which is why Gordon flinched so hard.

I trained as a physio and have a degree in it. The test he did was completely spot on. You have to move the limb to ‘pain’ to assess where the pain is. 
 

Also, as mentioned it’s only a ROM test. Nothing in the clip shows an ACL test. 

[RobsonsWonderland]

Again I'm no expert but do you even get ACL injuries from being over played?

 

Google says.  

ACL injuries often happen during sports and fitness activities that can put stress on the knee: Suddenly slowing down and changing direction (cutting) Pivoting with your foot firmly planted. Landing awkwardly from a jump

 

Was it not more the push by Cucerella  (which he did all game) which impacted his knee?

[Erikse]

4 hours ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Again I'm no expert but do you even get ACL injuries from being over played?

 

Google says.  

ACL injuries often happen during sports and fitness activities that can put stress on the knee: Suddenly slowing down and changing direction (cutting) Pivoting with your foot firmly planted. Landing awkwardly from a jump

 

Was it not more the push by Cucerella  (which he did all game) which impacted his knee?

 

And this is what google says about hamstrings:

A hamstring strain, sometimes called a pulled hamstring, happens when one or more of these muscles gets stretched too far and starts to tear

 

Yet it's a well known fact that hamstrings are more likely to happen to players who get overloaded. When you are tired the muscles doesn't support your body as well as they used to, so they don't protect you as well from unnatural movements. That's just one of the factors. About ACL:

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2024 by Erikse

[Lotus]

This is not apropos of Gordon but as muscles are fatigued some of the stress and load is transferred to tendons and ligaments.

I did my quadriceps tendon this way. Overloading. Muscle was not recovering in time between workouts. Volume was too high (for me). One movement too far and the tendon ended up taking a load it was not designed for. Tear.

This is not controversial. 
 

Re: Gordon, no idea. He’s played a lot. Too much imo given how much he sprints. I thought his hamstring would go at some point. I was wrong about that though.

 

Hope he’s back asap. Crucial player.

[BeloEmre]

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, BeloEmre said:

https://x.com/craighope_dm/status/1767966282517733672?s=46&t=qiC9vAb9jDAu45ZXRygfkQ

 

But the physio broke his knee?

[Lotus]

Alhamdulillah

[Decky]

Involvement with England.  Hope the lad gets it, he deserves it, but fuck me I hate these international breaks. The timing of this one too, potential to leave clubs without important players for the final run in of the season. 

[timeEd32]

That's excellent news if true.

 

I feel like I'm turning to the dark side in this thread though. I don't know how you can absolve Eddie of any blame with Gordon. Injured or not, serious or not - the fact we didn't place more importance on getting him some rest in the last month is a mistake and, given how the season has gone, I was really hoping we'd start to see some progress in this area. This isn't hindsight either.

[Lotus]

3 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

That's excellent news if true.

 

I feel like I'm turning to the dark side in this thread though. I don't know how you can absolve Eddie of any blame with Gordon. Injured or not, serious or not - the fact we didn't place more importance on getting him some rest in the last month is a mistake and, given how the season has gone, I was really hoping we'd start to see some progress in this area. This isn't hindsight either.

Although, given illness to Miggy and that Murphy and Barnes would still have been on return protocols it may that there just wasn’t another option. Just speculating though. Barnes and Murphy could’ve been given the all clear for all I know.

You defo did call out Gordon as being overworked prior to all this. 

[Guest]

Lee Ryder is so fucking back

[sempuki]

25 minutes ago, BeloEmre said:

 

 

Mr Positivity for once.

[Joelinton7]

Gordon was then transferred to a better hospital, where doctors upgraded his condition to “alive”.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

3 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

Did you know that managing workload in reltation to risk of injuries is part of a managers job? Players who are being overloaded are of a much higher risk of injury, those of the kind that Gordon, Willock, Isak and Joelinton and Trippier got for instance. I don't get how people try to deny that the manager has any control over how many injuries that we are likely to get..

 

 

 

Sound more like the sports science team than the manager myself, or is bad info given to Howe, his fault too now?

[The College Dropout]

Some players seemingly always avoid injury. I had semi pegged Gordon in that bracket. 
 

saka and Fernandes never seem to get tired or injured for example. Even Messi and Ronaldo never seemed to get injured as often as you might expect. 

 

Edit: Ronaldo has 16 seasons playing 40+ games a season. 15+ 30 league appearance seasons in Europe.

 

 

Edited March 13, 2024 by The College Dropout

[LiquidAK]

International break couldn't have come at a better time really. Hope he doesn't go this round, his time will come - 2.5 weeks of rest and back for West Ham would be mint.