Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[madras]

9 hours ago, JT24 said:

I’d be very interested to find out the two sponsorships Staveley was presumably negotiating. 

Seems very suspicious that they buggered off when they found out they had to pay less and we provided no evidence.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, madras said:

Seems very suspicious that they buggered off when they found out they had to pay less and we provided no evidence.

Yep, doesn’t exactly pass the ‘smell’ test, does it?

 

If I walk into a shop and offer £100 for an item I want, and the shop keeper says ‘it isn’t worth that, you can have it for £50’ my response isn’t likely to be ‘my money isn’t good enough for you?  I shall take my custom elsewhere!’

[bowlingcrofty]

Maybe more the massive delay in approvals put them off tbf.

[TK-421]

1 hour ago, bowlingcrofty said:

Maybe more the massive delay in approvals put them off tbf.

 

Yeah, didn't see anything in those extracts that inferred costs were related to the two sponsors walking away, or whether these were Sela alternatives or just additional sponsors around the club.

As above, maybe they wanted their name out there as soon as possible, but PL approval delays made them walk away?

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:58 by TK-421

[Likelylad]

PL 101. Kick the can down the road and wait for people/businesses to walk away. 

[Dr. TC]

11 hours ago, madras said:

Seems very suspicious that they buggered off when they found out they had to pay less and we provided no evidence.

Maybe she was negotiating on the basis we were going to be at the top very quickly, and the new rules made clear that wouldn't happen, so we became less exciting? 

[FloydianMag]

 

[Shak]

I hate that I have to follow that guy and read his tweets carefully

[The College Dropout]

Arsenal results published. Big jumps in both revenue and wages.  

[JT24]

18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Arsenal results published. Big jumps in both revenue and wages.  

Blimey, how did their revenue jump up to 616m?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Arsenal results published. Big jumps in both revenue and wages.  

Arsenal’s revenues have grown more in one season than ours have in total since the takeover - this is the problem NUFC has, the increases we’ve had are not seeing us substantively gain ground on the ‘Big Six’. 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Arsenal’s revenues have grown more in one season than ours have in total since the takeover - this is the problem NUFC has, the increases we’ve had are not seeing us substantively gain ground on the ‘Big Six’. 

Haven't seen arsenal's number but is that correct? Depressing yet predictable if so. 

[LFEE]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Arsenal’s revenues have grown more in one season than ours have in total since the takeover - this is the problem NUFC has, the increases we’ve had are not seeing us substantively gain ground on the ‘Big Six’. 

Tell it to those against a new stadium.

[TheBrownBottle]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Haven't seen arsenal's number but is that correct? Depressing yet predictable if so. 

It went from £466m to £616m - a £150m revenue increase.  

[r0cafella]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

It went from £466m to £616m - a £150m revenue increase.  

Fuckin hell. That's absolutely mad. 

 

It's so frustrating, we really need PIF to invest in us as we are miles behind. If we aren't closing the gap we are falling back into the pack. 

[JT24]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Fuckin hell. That's absolutely mad. 

 

It's so frustrating, we really need PIF to invest in us as we are miles behind. If we aren't closing the gap we are falling back into the pack. 

I’d argue they are trying but daft rules made up on the spot are limiting what they can do. 
 

Also have to take into account the club pretty much had to build a commercial department from scratch. It’s still in its infancy but hopefully we start seeing some results soon. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Fuckin hell. That's absolutely mad. 

 

It's so frustrating, we really need PIF to invest in us as we are miles behind. If we aren't closing the gap we are falling back into the pack. 

Yep - the season the takeover occurred we posted £180m to Arsenal’s £369m - a £189m delta.  Arsenal has just posted £616m - given our income is likely around £315m, we’re likely 60% further behind today than when the takeover took place.

 

We’ve actually lost a lot of ground on Arsenal over the last three years!

 

3 minutes ago, JT24 said:

I’d argue they are trying but daft rules made up on the spot are limiting what they can do. 
 

Also have to take into account the club pretty much had to build a commercial department from scratch. It’s still in its infancy but hopefully we start seeing some results soon. 

It doesn’t take this long - and the commercial dept isn’t the one actually doing any of the running.  We could’ve had no-one there and still got the Sela and Noon deals (both are PIF companies). 

[r0cafella]

8 minutes ago, JT24 said:

I’d argue they are trying but daft rules made up on the spot are limiting what they can do. 
 

Also have to take into account the club pretty much had to build a commercial department from scratch. It’s still in its infancy but hopefully we start seeing some results soon. 

We could and should have done a lot more in both player trading as well as having badi commercial deals for training ground kit and stadium. 

 

Look we either want to compete or we don't. But being slow and taking half measures railroad you in to the not competing by default. 

 

We need to leverage the full power of the state of Saudi as PSG have with Qatar and as city have with the UAE. 

[The College Dropout]

Last season was their first year back in the CL for some time too.  Decent co-efficient and a run to the QFs is a decent chunk in additional TV and gates. 

[timeEd32]

+£71m on broadcast (largely from CL QF vs Europa League)

 

+£29m matchday (CL games + I think higher ticket prices)

 

+£50m commercial

Wages up £96m (!) and amortisation up £32m.

 

 

 

[TRon]

3 hours ago, Dr. TC said:

Maybe she was negotiating on the basis we were going to be at the top very quickly, and the new rules made clear that wouldn't happen, so we became less exciting? 

 

That makes perfect sense. Just look at how excited we were during the takeover before the cartel and PL lawyers swung into action. Roadblock after roadblock has brought the PIF juggernaut to a juddering halt and the only chink of light has been awful Man City taking the PL to the courts.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:18 by TRon

[The College Dropout]

Arsenal are a massive club with solid infrastructure who had been underperforming for at least 5 years. In the best market for revenue and academy players in England and maybe the world. 
 

Thats a massive difference to Newcastle United. 
 

Prior to this Arsenal had fallen to 6th in revenues from the big 6.  A successful Arsenal should generate more revenue than Spurs and Liverpool. 

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

That makes perfect sense. Just look at how excited we were during the takeover before the cartel and PL lawyers swung into action. Roadblock after roadblock has brought the PIF juggernaut to a juddering halt and the only chink of light has been awful Man City taking the PL to the courts.

 

 

 

Many of the rules were already in place - it wasn’t possible to ‘do a Man City’ when PIF bought the club.  The football press misled an excited fanbase tbh. 

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We could and should have done a lot more in both player trading as well as having badi commercial deals for training ground kit and stadium. 

 

Look we either want to compete or we don't. But being slow and taking half measures railroad you in to the not competing by default. 

 

We need to leverage the full power of the state of Saudi as PSG have with Qatar and as city have with the UAE. 

The last line is how I’ve felt for some time.  
 

Arsenal are a bigger club than us, better location, better existing infrastructure - there’s no ‘organic growth’ that will catch us up to them if they are being run properly. We need to leverage our advantages. Our advantage is the power of the Saudi state. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Many of the rules were already in place - it wasn’t possible to ‘do a Man City’ when PIF bought the club.  The football press misled an excited fanbase tbh. 

 

Why did the PL rush through amendments to their rules then?