2023 FIFA Women's World Cup: Rubiales banned from all football-related activities for three years

[Deuce]

If I know Mrs. Bimpy, she’s about to march in here and snatch her man by the ear.

[Bimpy474]

9 minutes ago, Jimburst said:

I'd cut out the shite patter if I didn't want to sound like an utter prick, even if I had a story where I was mildly associated to a mixed football team.

 

It's a forum isn't, it's where we discuss and sometime maybe to one detriment overshare. You don't have to read it, or just whack on the ignore, pretty simple. My point on the post was i rather involved in girls football in my part of the world, but fair enough.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Jimburst]

I'll just stick to calling shite out when I see it, cheers.

[Bimpy474]

6 minutes ago, Deuce said:

If I know Mrs. Bimpy, she’s about to march in here and snatch her man by the ear.

 

She's marvellous, and as i keep telling ours boys she's the glue that holds us all together, she puts up with three smelly louts.  And i've only ever see her wrath once or twice would you believe, and i know I'm not messing with that.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Bimpy474]

Just now, Jimburst said:

I'll just stick to calling shite out when I see it, cheers.

 

Well it wasn't shite, but fair enough. Doesn't have to be personal, but that's your choice.

[MrRaspberryJam]

15 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

My good friend, I used to help coach in a daft little football academy when my eldest boy was very young, for the team he played for. I played for the mens, and then managed the mens, played for the Vets and managed them. You could start at the academy all the way to vets.

 

We had two girls stay with us up to under 11's, then girls were no longer allowed to play with the boys, but we lost those girls to other clubs as we didn't have girls teams for them to move into. So i and a determined group of parents got girls teams off the ground, they did far more than me but i helped a little.

 

I no longer coach because of the knees, i do go and watch on Saturday for mens, and Sundays for the kids (different teams now). The academy was still going strong until a few years ago, when i was there we had roughly 15 boys and 3 or 4 girls. Now another academy i know has almost 50/50, that's due to the success of the women's game, clearly.

 

But decisions made by the club to sell off part of the ground so it could be sold for housing and that cricket brought in more money. That killed all the football, that partly helped my decision to quit football completely. Believe it or not, watching the girls again go off the other clubs, alongside all the mens teams was heartbreaking. It hurts actually, all the years efforts for nowt.

 

A joke was a joke which seems to have gone well

[Jimburst]

 Perfect.

[Bimpy474]

8 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

[joeyt]

Any comparisons to the mens equivalent is daft.  Serena Williams would have struggled to win a match against any top 500 men from her time playing at her peak. That doesn't mean she wasn't an incredible tennis player

 

Elite sportsmen are naturally going to be stronger and faster than elite sportswomen. Comparisons just serve to diminish women.

 

I think some men just enjoy doing it just to reinforce their masculinity

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by joeyt

[Bimpy474]

58 minutes ago, joeyt said:

I think some men just enjoy doing it just to reinforce their masculinity

 

That's definitely true. Tennis is a funny one, women's is more entertaining imo. As much a big serves win games, it doesn't offer much to the viewer. I know there's not much that can be done, but watching two big servers blasting away, is just boring at times.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Bimpy474

[iklgizmo]

Absolutely gutted with the way that went.

I'm fully on the sarina bandwagon, bit I think she played her cards too soon.

Taking Russo and Daly off half time was weird, as bringing James on not in the number 10 role didn't really add anything. 

I would have given it 10 mins then brought her on for Toone.

 

Quite a lot of the team will be at the end of their careers in 4 years time, so it will be interesting to see if we start to bring the youngsters in now or if Sarina uses the same squad to get through the next Euros. 

[MrRaspberryJam]

47 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Feck all mate, Mrs B is off to work this evening. I'll cook for myself and the boys, depending on when they want to eat. They don't tend be around Sunday's, off out and about and they may eat out.

My lass is on nightshift so I’m having Rustlers minute burger, a can of red bull and a big share bag of cheesy puffs. 

[Bimpy474]

20 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

My lass is on nightshift so I’m having Rustlers minute burger, a can of red bull and a big share bag of cheesy puffs. 

 

Feckin hell, you lazy sod 

 

Both boys are in, one's had maccies out. The other isn't hungry, so i'll knock up something after the game.

[Lish007]

3 hours ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

True, but unfortunately that was inevitable as mens football has dominated sport in this country for so long. As women's football grows it'll get seen as its own entity without the comparisons, it's just how quickly it gets there imo.

 

 

 

 

You do realise that the ONLY reason why the men's game has dominated for so long was because the FA BANNED women from playing for 50 years, setting back 3 generations. 

 

By the time women were allowed back, we'd lost the momentum and we had to start from scratch.

 

The reason why it was banned? It was drawing too bigger crowds and, I quote "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged.”

 

I fucking love the men's game, I also happen to love the women's game and fully support it's resurgence and professionalism across the board. But it's not a threat. 

 

And just a side note, even tongue in cheek comments like 'at least the washing up will get down now' isn't funny. It's just as bad as any stupid 'monkey' or 'poof' jokes in my opinion. 

[Guest]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66565175

 

YOU INSPIRED A NATION! Say two men who couldn't be bothered to go to Australia to watch the team play. 

[Holloway]

Most baffling moment in this little episode is the Partridge meme itself. Up there with that Brand fucker for comic value, but should be lording it in the most punchable faces on the planet thread ?

[oldtype]

 

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

Any comparisons to the mens equivalent is daft.  Serena Williams would have struggled to win a match against any top 500 men from her time playing at her peak. That doesn't mean she wasn't an incredible tennis player

 

Elite sportsmen are naturally going to be stronger and faster than elite sportswomen. Comparisons just serve to diminish women.

 

I think some men just enjoy doing it just to reinforce their masculinity

 

 

 

 

 

It's weird when you think about it. Since childhood, I've always enjoyed both Mens' and Womens' events at the Olympics, more or less equally. The fact that the Women's 100m is always going to be run a few seconds slower than the Men's didn't make it seem any less interesting.

 

But for the longest time, I wasn't applying that same standard in any context other than the Olympics. Womens' events always seemed trivial relative to the Mens'. In retrospect, perhaps it was because I had just been conditioned to feel that way because of how our society treats Womens' sport in general (with the Olympics being the one exception.)

 

Obviously the pinnacle of football is always going to be the mens' Premier League and the mens' World Cup. But that doesn't mean that the womens' counterparts can't be enjoyable and a good product in their own right, especially now that more money is starting to flow into those events. The fact that they maybe kick the ball a bit less well than the men doesn't matter at the end of the day. They still kick it plenty well enough for the matches to be entertaining for a lot of people.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by oldtype

[Groundhog63]

3 hours ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

My lass is on nightshift so I’m having Rustlers minute burger, a can of red bull and a big share bag of cheesy puffs. 

Careful

[Bimpy474]

1 hour ago, Lish007 said:

 

You do realise that the ONLY reason why the men's game has dominated for so long was because the FA BANNED women from playing for 50 years, setting back 3 generations. 

 

By the time women were allowed back, we'd lost the momentum and we had to start from scratch.

 

The reason why it was banned? It was drawing too bigger crowds and, I quote "the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged.”

 

I fucking love the men's game, I also happen to love the women's game and fully support it's resurgence and professionalism across the board. But it's not a threat. 

 

And just a side note, even tongue in cheek comments like 'at least the washing up will get down now' isn't funny. It's just as bad as any stupid 'monkey' or 'poof' jokes in my opinion. 

 

No point looking back though is there ? As bad as that was.  If we look at how the women's game has grown over the last 10 years, in particular the last 3 or 4, if that growth continues then hopefully it grows to where you want it to be.

 

A major issue is grassroots, there's still not enough being done. Unfortunately most grassroots is still dominated by men, and older men at that.  Its changing but again not quick enough, there has to be more women elected to local clubs committees.

 

You have to change it at its core, at the grassroots for things to change, especially so there's more teams for to girls access. At moment girls teams here have to travel so far, as most men's team don't take it seriously as to create and even think of creating girl's or women's teams.

 

My joke did not go down well, but please, its not comparible to racism or intolerance. that's a tad too far imo, but you're entitled to that opinion, but I disagree.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Erikse]

Luis Rubiales kissing Jenni Hermoso on the lips She did not like that..

[joeyt]

What's the craic with the Spanish manager?

 

Loads of players boycotted this tournament because they don't like his coaching methods but he's managed to win the World Cup without them. So his coaching methods have been justified? Or is there more to it than that

[Lish007]

2 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

No point looking back though is there ? As bad as that was.  If we look at how the women's game has grown over the last 10 years, in particular the last 3 or 4, if that growth continues then hopefully it grows to where you want it to be.

 

A major issue is grassroots, there's still not enough being done. Unfortunately most grassroots is still dominated by men, and older men at that.  Its changing but again not quick enough, there has to be more women elected to local clubs committees.

 

You have to change it at its core, at the grassroots for things to change, especially so there's more teams for to girls access. At moment girls teams here have to travel so far, as most men's team don't take it seriously as to create and even think of creating girl's or women's teams.

 

My joke did not go down well, but please, its not comparible to racism or intolerance. that's a tad too far imo, but you're entitled to that opinion, but I disagree.

 

 

 

 

I agree with your grassroots opinion but we live in a patriarchal world where you've basically just said a joke about being sexist is 'not as bad as being racist or intolerance'. 

 

If we are talking grassroots then it starts with women like me, telling men like you, that your comments aren't helpful, insightful or wanted. Sexism is so ingrained in this society that you don't even know when you are being sexist. The thing that racism and homophobia have on their side is that men are also black and gay.  Unfortunately, women don't have men in their ranks and until you start to call each other out for baseless comments, things won't change. We need men on our side, not against us. 

 

And it's okay for you to say "no point looking at the past" when you've not had to fight to have the rights to be the sex that you are. 

 

I understand I have white privilege, it's sometimes uncomfortable for me to comprehend that I have a privilege based on the colour of my skin - something I can't help but there it is. It's down to you to realise you have male privilege and you are treated differently because of that. 

 

Anyway, this is the football section and I don't wanna get into a lengthy debate about these things. I understand you were joking, but please, from a female perspective, try to reflect that it's not funny for us to hear this all the time. 

 

 

 

 

[Bimpy474]

Men like me ?

 

OK, so I was brought up by single mother, had zero grandfather's, both absent. An absent father who was abusive prior to leaving us, dragged up by mother and grandma, and my two aunts.

 

For the last twenty years I've worked with predominantly ladies. I now manage my department (I hate the term, I'm the one who makes a decision if its needed is more apt) half a dozen fantastic ladies who make my job a joy to be at, and around.

 

We are all equals in my department, from the cleaner to me and every decision is discussed among all of us, and some of my older male staff didnt like it, well that was tough and they left, well moved elsewhere.

 

OK, a joke has gone down poorly, but you have no idea who I am or what I stand for. And I learnt long ago what someone writes is not always perceived how its meant and intended. Some people are better at written words than others, and I'm from Essex, so excuses in.

 

And with the same reasoning I'm not judging you on a few words written in this gloriously fantastic place.

 

Who knew Alan Partridge was so, well....

 

 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Bimpy474

[Lish007]

10 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

Men like me ?

 

OK, so I was brought up by single mother, had zero grandfather's, both absent. An absent father who was abusive prior to leaving us, dragged up by mother and grandma, and my two aunts.

 

For the last twenty years I've worked with predominantly ladies. I now manage my department (I hate the term, I'm the one who makes a decision if its needed is more apt) half a dozen fantastic ladies who make my job a joy to be at, and around.

 

We are all equals in my department, from the cleaner to me and every decision is discussed among all of us, and some of my older male staff didnt like it, well that was tough and they left, well moved elsewhere.

 

OK, a joke has gone down poorly, but you have no idea who I am or what I stand for. And I learnt long ago what someone writes is not always perceived how its meant and intended. Some people are better at written words than others, and I'm from Essex, so excuses in.

 

And with the same reasoning I'm not judging you on a few words written in this gloriously fantastic place.

 

Who knew Alan Partridge was so, well....

 

 

 

 

If you're the exemplary man you say you are, then set the standard - don't be the problem. 

 

I'm not judging, I'm just so tired of the "joke that's not a joke". 

[80]

1 hour ago, oldtype said:

 

 

It's weird when you think about it. Since childhood, I've always enjoyed both Mens' and Womens' events at the Olympics, more or less equally. The fact that the Women's 100m is always going to be run a few seconds slower than the Men's didn't make it seem any less interesting.

 

But for the longest time, I wasn't applying that same standard in any context other than the Olympics. Womens' events always seemed trivial relative to the Mens'. In retrospect, perhaps it was because I had just been conditioned to feel that way because of how our society treats Womens' sport in general (with the Olympics being the one exception.)

 

Obviously the pinnacle of football is always going to be the mens' Premier League and the mens' World Cup. But that doesn't mean that the womens' counterparts can't be enjoyable and a good product in their own right, especially now that more money is starting to flow into those events. The fact that they maybe kick the ball a bit less well than the men doesn't matter at the end of the day. They still kick it plenty well enough for the matches to be entertaining for a lot of people.

 

 

 

I think the focus on the quality of the game* is somewhat of a red herring for both sides of the argument. There's no question that people can get very emotionally invested in watching very crap footballers - seeing parents being transfixed by their under 8s playing tells it's own story.

 

I think especially for commercial team sports a large part of the interest comes from tracking the narrative. I can personally confirm that football in general is a hell of a lot less interesting when you're not following a club. The vast majority of things you might normally pay attention to lose any relevance through lack of context. Hence if you've never had any interest in women's football, it is that much harder to become interested in it. Basically the same problem football has in breaking America.

 

That's why I see women being treated more equally more easily in individual sports like the Olympics and tennis. The focus is far more on one person's life and nature of the sport itself. There shouldn't be any surprise that all of these sports - men and women alike - are far less popular and commercially robust than multi-decade narrative-driven team sports. Shallower to opt in, easier to opt out. And at the moment, women's football is viewed more like an Olympic sport, while men's football is viewed more as a primal, tribal, dramatic battle.

 

I think that's what women's football needs to focus on if people think it should be comparably popular with men's football and not only exist happily in it's own space. It's why I think NUFC have been smart to focus on trying to make the women's team an arm of the club and emphasizing regional identity, rather than just saying women are great at football and equality is great and here's why you need to be interested. Plonking something decent down and ordering people to pay attention is how you get a team like MK Dons, who are probably the 10th most popular team in a 1 team city. Getting people to feel a sense of organic ownership is far more sustainable.

 

*Apart from the goalkeeping. That does kill the game for me because it breaks the reward mechanism. But that's another story...