Yankuba Minteh (now playing for Brighton & Hove Albion)

[David Edgar]

We'd have more points with him available off the bench, I reckon. 

 

Imagine him running at the Everton heffers in the final ten minutes.

[Groundhog63]

1 minute ago, David Edgar said:

We'd have more points with him available off the bench, I reckon. 

 

Imagine him running at the Everton heffers in the final ten minutes.

 

If we hadn't sold him he'd probably have been playing centre forward instead of Liverpool's Anthony Gordon, tho

[Zero]

45 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Not by PSR though we sold him for over £30m and that's the essential part as well as the fee we received for Minteh. By all accounts, the player who was going, if the deals for the two players were not agreed (even one of them), was Gordon. He is both short term and long term for the club; and as it currently stood was far more important than the two players sold. I'm of the opinion that the club thought Bruno's transfer sale figure would be triggered and that he would be the player leaving. When it wasn't the fire sale then started.

 

The question to be asked is when are our revenue levels going to be increased; and when we are going to hear about stadium/training ground/commercial deals as this is very much the key factor in how the club will progress. This is the key element of the process. 

 

 

 

Currently I don’t have high hopes on the revenue side because obviously the club is waiting for the Man City case

 

Gordon should never be considered as an option, and that shows how desperate we were at end of June. To be honest I don’t understand why the club made that enquiry - if Gordon is the only last option, I would take the 6 points penalty.

 

I know many won’t agree but I would take that penalty over Minteh as well. By having a better RW, not only we could have 6 points more, we could also retain an asset that we could sell in the future. I understand as a fans we all want to have immediately success and, we should have the best squad available right now by all means. Taking Joelinton and Barnes over Anderson and Minteh looks justified. The problem is, what about next season? What if we are unable to finish Top 6? 
 

Do we still have enough PSR capacity to improve or revamp the squad? or we can only rely on deteriorating players as we are still suffering from amortizing loss? Other than Gordon, Bruno or Miley, who else can we sell at that time? Is the sales proceeds enough for raising PSR capacity or it’s just enough for meeting the requirement or that would be the league points penalty again?

 

There are fucking lot of PSR questions hanging above the clubs head. What I see is people didn’t realize how disastrous our future would be (long term), and keep on asking the club to pull the trigger now (short term). I don’t know it’s experience or lack of patience or what. We won’t be Leeds because we have the richest owner in the world, but under PSR we could be facing 4-5 years of rebuilding process, starting from the bottom half of the table again. I don’t know what PIFs plan is but I guarantee this is not within their original plan. Whether this is fine to you I don’t know. Not to me.

[Dandy Man]

9 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

If we hadn't sold him he'd probably have been playing centre forward instead of Liverpool's Anthony Gordon, tho

Or we would definitely have less points due to a deduction of multiple points for breaching PSR.. Great to see that this discussion is still going I must say

[Dr.Spaceman]

21 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

The problem I find it interesting, amazing, or even amusing, is that many people didn’t realize this is a fucking gamble the club should never take. It is essentially spending in advance. 
 

The club should not assume that Bruno’s clause will be triggered and use that as the “hope” to fulfill the PSR gap. This is 100% mismanagement. We shouldn’t spend that much last summer, or we should sell Joelinton instead of giving an extension. Whatever. And, if Bruno stays, great. If he left, we should use that 100m and our scouting database to get our next Bruno. 
 

It’s like people applauding someone for putting out the fire at the last minute, ignoring the fact that it’s that guy who set up the fire at the first place. How can you give credit to the club/management and say the fire sales is great piece of business?

 

Hang on, you're getting irate over a fabricated scenario here. There is little to suggest the club were simply waiting for Bruno's clause to be activated. All soundbites from within the club were around Bruno staying iirc. I know they had no control over it but I think it's incredibly far-fetched to believe that the club chanced their arm like that.

 

PSR is clearly not an easy thing to navigate, hence the points deductions elsewhere and several clubs seemingly running very close to the wire. I reckon it's nowhere near as black and white as you are making it out to be, however I don't think people like us will ever truly understand the inner workings of any PL clubs finances, so there's little point debating it, we've just got to trust the people in charge (I'd wager they're far more qualified than most of us will ever be anyway)

[Groundhog63]

7 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Hang on, you're getting irate over a fabricated scenario here. There is little to suggest the club were simply waiting for Bruno's clause to be activated. All soundbites from within the club were around Bruno staying iirc. I know they had no control over it but I think it's incredibly far-fetched to believe that the club chanced their arm like that.

 

PSR is clearly not an easy thing to navigate, hence the points deductions elsewhere and several clubs seemingly running very close to the wire. I reckon it's nowhere near as black and white as you are making it out to be, however I don't think people like us will ever truly understand the inner workings of any PL clubs finances, so there's little point debating it, we've just got to trust the people in charge (I'd wager they're far more qualified than most of us will ever be anyway)

 

It is tho, according to some kids on here. Piece of piss, even. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

It is tho, according to some kids on here. Piece of piss, even. 

 

It's basically Key Stage 2 maths, mate.

[Keegans Export]

56 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

The problem I find it interesting, amazing, or even amusing, is that many people didn’t realize this is a fucking gamble the club should never take. It is essentially spending in advance. 
 

The club should not assume that Bruno’s clause will be triggered and use that as the “hope” to fulfill the PSR gap. This is 100% mismanagement. We shouldn’t spend that much last summer, or we should sell Joelinton instead of giving an extension. Whatever. And, if Bruno stays, great. If he left, we should use that 100m and our scouting database to get our next Bruno. 
 

It’s like people applauding someone for putting out the fire at the last minute, ignoring the fact that it’s that guy who set up the fire at the first place. How can you give credit to the club/management and say the fire sales is great piece of business?

I don't think that's what I said to be fair

[Zero]

29 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I don't think that's what I said to be fair

I mean it looks great that we designed a little window for us to react if Bruno’s clause was not triggered - but the reality is we shouldn’t face that life-saving 7 days in the first place.

[Zero]

55 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Hang on, you're getting irate over a fabricated scenario here. There is little to suggest the club were simply waiting for Bruno's clause to be activated. All soundbites from within the club were around Bruno staying iirc. I know they had no control over it but I think it's incredibly far-fetched to believe that the club chanced their arm like that.

 

PSR is clearly not an easy thing to navigate, hence the points deductions elsewhere and several clubs seemingly running very close to the wire. I reckon it's nowhere near as black and white as you are making it out to be, however I don't think people like us will ever truly understand the inner workings of any PL clubs finances, so there's little point debating it, we've just got to trust the people in charge (I'd wager they're far more qualified than most of us will ever be anyway)

Not really. Within most companies, usually, it’s the working level that is able to grasp the in depth details instead of the managements. Probably around 50% of the management personnel is redundant. They may have their own networking, they might be good at relationship management, but they might not be really good at the aspect or area they are looking after 

 

Too many managers, too little workers. That’s a common problem in working organisations nowadays. If you have followed the gaming industry, Ubisoft is probably the latest example I could think of.
 

Top level investment banks have their own ranking system and database re all the management level personnel / directors / CEO etc. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

3 hours ago, Zero said:

Not really. Within most companies, usually, it’s the working level that is able to grasp the in depth details instead of the managements. Probably around 50% of the management personnel is redundant. They may have their own networking, they might be good at relationship management, but they might not be really good at the aspect or area they are looking after 

 

Too many managers, too little workers. That’s a common problem in working organisations nowadays. If you have followed the gaming industry, Ubisoft is probably the latest example I could think of.
 

Top level investment banks have their own ranking system and database re all the management level personnel / directors / CEO etc. 

 

What a load of baseless shite 

[Zero]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

What a load of baseless shite 

believe it or don’t.

[gdm]

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If there’s one person I trust, it’s Ted Knutson.

[The College Dropout]

Think the points deduction is a red line. 
 

But I share the sentiment that his profile + underlying data put him on a high class CL trajectory. If he continues to develop it will be no surprise if he becomes a £60m+ player. Which is why I was dead set against selling him if possible - but it wasn’t possible.  
 

I would’ve preferred to sell Bruno for £100m, Joelinton, Anderson, Gordon for 90m etc. but Gordon for £60m or a points deduction is my line. 

[54]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Think the points deduction is a red line. 
 

But I share the sentiment that his profile + underlying data put him on a high class CL trajectory. If he continues to develop it will be no surprise if he becomes a £60m+ player. Which is why I was dead set against selling him if possible - but it wasn’t possible.  
 

I would’ve preferred to sell Bruno for £100m, Joelinton, Anderson, Gordon for 90m etc. but Gordon for £60m or a points deduction is my line. 

You'd have preferred to sell Bruno, our most important and influential player, over someone who hadn't kicked a ball for us?

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, 54 said:

You'd have preferred to sell Bruno, our most important and influential player, over someone who hadn't kicked a ball for us?

Less to do with Minteh.  More to do with Bruno being at peak value and us needing the revenue. £100m + a few smaller sales would be enough for a bit of a rebuild. 
 

Unless something changes significantly. We’ll have to sell Crown Jewels eventually. So it’s about getting top dollar for them, selling at the right time and investing it wisely.  
 

If there’s a plan to increase revenues by £80m within the next year then no. We keep him as long as we want. 
 

But if we keep doing what we’re doing and the rules don’t change significantly. Sell high, buy low that will gain in value, rinse & repeat has to be the model.  The RB, Dortmund model.  The problem with our current position and PSR is we can be bullied into selling for Lower fees. That happened to us with Minteh already.   
 

Our wage bill continues to increase. 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by The College Dropout

[AyeDubbleYoo]

SJP would've been surrounded by an angry mob if we'd sold Bruno to keep Anderson and a player most fans have never seen

[TRon]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Less to do with Minteh.  More to do with Bruno being at peak value and us needing the revenue. £100m + a few smaller sales would be enough for a bit of a rebuild. 
 

Unless something changes significantly. We’ll have to sell Crown Jewels eventually. So it’s about getting top dollar for them, selling at the right time and investing it wisely.  
 

If there’s a plan to increase revenues by £80m within the next year then no. We keep him as long as we want. 
 

But if we keep doing what we’re doing and the rules don’t change significantly. Sell high, buy low that will gain in value, rinse & repeat has to be the model.  The RB, Dortmund model.  The problem with our current position and PSR is we can be bullied into selling for Lower fees. That happened to us with Minteh already.   
 

Our wage bill continues to increase. 

 

 

 

 

 

We need the rules to change quite soonish otherwise this is an unfortunate reality.

[Zero]

51 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

SJP would've been surrounded by an angry mob if we'd sold Bruno to keep Anderson and a player most fans have never seen

 

Yea, reasonable response from the fans, but the harsh reality under current PSR is like that. 
 

I probably should add we could buy 2-3 more prospects in addition to Minteh and Anderson

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

13 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

Yea, reasonable response from the fans, but the harsh reality under current PSR is like that. 
 

I probably should add we could buy 2-3 more prospects in addition to Minteh and Anderson

 

 

 

Well the reality isn't so black and white, we've managed to comply without selling a star.  It's odd if that is considered a negative. Admittedly the way we managed it was chaotic. 

 

Of course we need to buy some players and sell them on, but you could argue that's what Minteh was bought for. 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

I really hope we sign a quality right winger this winter so this Minteh "mistake" argument can die down.

 

[Dandy Man]

Apologies but I take no pleasure in reminding people that Ted Knutson thought Emmanuel Riviere was a good player.

 

He also said this in the article:

"If you had to make a choice I think selling [Anthony] Gordon was probably the right one. But it’s hard, it’s extremely difficult to pilot all this stuff and find the right path"

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by Dandy Man
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[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

SJP would've been surrounded by an angry mob if we'd sold Bruno to keep Anderson and a player most fans have never seen

Release clause. 
 

We have a high wage bill that keeps increasing. Also have a high amortisation carry over.  
 

We’ve sold 2 out of our 3 known ‘wonderkids’. If we want to rebuild we’ll need to raise significant funds. Unless we change tact with sponsorships that will mean sales. 

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

I really hope we sign a quality right winger this winter so this Minteh "mistake" argument can die down.

 

 

I would love that to happen. I would love it to have happened 12 months ago really.