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43 minutes ago, Lucky said:

At the root of all of this is that Isak has spread a cancer into the squad in terms of money.

 

What’s he on now? 300k a week?

 

The likes of Tonali will be looking at that and weighing up his value. Loyalty for the ban year will only go so far.

 

If we’re offering him less than 200k a week for a new contract he’ll have his agent in his ear telling him what he can get elshewhere. A few of our current squad will be in the same boat. Not loads of them but certainly a few.

 

The issue is that if we start paying out bigger contracts we won’t be able to sign players at the same level. So we’re quite powerless to stop our big names from leaving.


Isak “spread a cancer”? Come on now 😂 it’s basic economics and footballers will always want to earn as much as they can. Now there’s a way you go about things and that’s where Isak the rat badly let himself down. There are many factors as to why players move on but it’s usually to do with winning trophies and being paid more money during a relatively short career.

 

Our problem is that until we are genuinely challenging for the title and also paying closer to what the top tier teams are paying players (which PSR prevents currently) we will always be at risk of losing top players, that’s a fact. 
 

I don’t see Tonali pushing for a move at all but I can definitely see him leaving at some point. That’s just football and it’ll be part of our progress, evolution. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, duo said:

This has a feeling it'll follow the Isak levels of speculation- the next move the media will be desperate to happen.


Agreed it’s definitely starting popping up in news stories online in papers and on the radio. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

For all the other AC Milan fans yes, not for us.

He disrespected us three times... the first time we forgave him because of the enormous respect we had , the second time was worse: he called us mercenaries in an interview and we still let it go just to be close to the team that was doing poorly.

The third was a disaster... an incident occurred at the Istanbul airport after the AC Milan-Liverpool match between us and him (and his wife).

A few days later we had a very long meeting among ourselves on how to proceed.,many wanted to wait for him outside his house and teach him a "lesson" ... just out of respect we had for his father (he was a TRUE legend of AC Milan in the '60s) we desist, but we swore he would pay.

We waited years and we did it in the way that hurt him the most, on the day of his last football match... chants, banners, and the enormous flag of our only true captain, Franco Baresi. He reacted badly and the rest of the stadium booed us, we know that but we didn't care. 

We were the MERCENARIES who 30 years earlier went to Oporto with 12 pullman , a 50-hour travel and another 50 to return to Milano and we did it several times around Europe, in those years there were no Ryanairs.... the others, those who whistled at us, watched it on TV in their homes.

 

What were the first and third incidents?

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9 hours ago, alexf said:

Sounds like a bunch of entitled pricks. Any grown adults who want to "wait outside a footballers house and teach them a lesson" is pretty pathetically low. 

 

If I have misread the context of that post and this was some sort of skit then forgive me [emoji38]

 

You're right but I think you have no idea about the social composition of some sectors of the stadiums here in Italy.

This is what the Chief of Police said a few years ago: https://laroma24.it/news/altre-altre/2017/05/gabrielli-il-27-degli-abbonati-di-curva-sud-ha-precedenti-penali

It basically says that 27% of AS Roma season ticket holders (those in the south stand) have criminal records.

In Milano, in two separate episodes, two Inter ultras were killed by gunshots during a feud between them.

Something similar happened in our fan base too and a few months ago the trial ended with a general sentence of 90 years in prison for 15 people.

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1 hour ago, Fak said:

 

What were the first and third incidents?

 

The first one had been a normal protest against the team, a non-violent protest, and he said that we had to keep quiet or stay out of the stadium.

The third time at the airport he knows he made a mistake but he tells his own version: the fans see him enter and, in an argument, tell him he needs to apologize for losing a final like that. He replies that he has nothing to be ashamed of, having done his job.

The truth: he enters and fans gather around him and ask  "Paolo, what happened tonight?",  his wife takes him away saying "Leave these miserable beggars alone." Someone takes it badly and says "We're the beggars who made you rich and idolized." He responds rudely and goes away.

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34 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

The first one had been a normal protest against the team, a non-violent protest, and he said that we had to keep quiet or stay out of the stadium.

The third time at the airport he knows he made a mistake but he tells his own version: the fans see him enter and, in an argument, tell him he needs to apologize for losing a final like that. He replies that he has nothing to be ashamed of, having done his job.

The truth: he enters and fans gather around him and ask  "Paolo, what happened tonight?",  his wife takes him away saying "Leave these miserable beggars alone." Someone takes it badly and says "We're the beggars who made you rich and idolized." He responds rudely and goes away.

 

So it's just the Ultras that don't like Maldini?

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8 minutes ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

Yes.

However three years ago he was part of the club's staff and the relationship between us and him has normalized.

This is like a kindly uncle who you only ever saw at weddings or Christmas and always enjoyed seeing and left with warm memories of. Then one time he turns it all upside down by mentioning his support for Farage or flat earth or something.

 

Fucking ultra my arse. Grown men! 

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10 minutes ago, Crayola Kid said:

This is like a kindly uncle who you only ever saw at weddings or Christmas and always enjoyed seeing and left with warm memories of. Then one time he turns it all upside down by mentioning his support for Farage or flat earth or something.

 

Fucking ultra my arse. Grown men! 

 

Correct... but here the uncle is Maldini.

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1 hour ago, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

 

The truth: he enters and fans gather around him and ask  "Paolo, what happened tonight?",  his wife takes him away saying "Leave these miserable beggars alone." Someone takes it badly and says "We're the beggars who made you rich and idolized." He responds rudely and goes away.

 

Aye it's not really worth hundreds or thousands camping outside his house for that. 

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Italian temperament and culture is different to our own. A lot of Italians probably thought it was weird that we had hundreds or thousands of people protesting a football team because of their religious identity. Each culture has their own quirks. 

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23 minutes ago, Adam P said:

Italian temperament and culture is different to our own. A lot of Italians probably thought it was weird that we had hundreds or thousands of people protesting a football team because of their religious identity. Each culture has their own quirks. 

Up to them. But the bit about normalising relations with a former player etc suggests people taking themselves way too seriously.

 

I'm personally very committed to finding behaviour like that ridiculous and I will build my entire sense of self around it for ever and ever

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39 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Aye it's not really worth hundreds or thousands camping outside his house for that. 

 

I have no doubt that England is a more civilized country than ours, and this is even more true in football terraces.

In a supporters' club of 9,000 members there is rottenness but there is also goodness... several times over the years we have donated tens of thousands of euros to populations affected by earthquakes or floods, or sent food aid during the war in Bosnia; we donated money to the largest hospital in Milano during Covid.

In short... not everything we have created in 57 years of existence is negative.

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Did no one read his comments on the club website then?

 

Literally said this is the perfect place for him and his family.

 

But let's just ignore that and act like hes basically already left.

 

This forum man. [emoji38]

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2 hours ago, Scoot said:

Did no one read his comments on the club website then?

 

Literally said this is the perfect place for him and his family.

 

But let's just ignore that and act like hes basically already left.

 

This forum man. [emoji38]

 

Convinced that football and logging in here is the worst part of most of their days. :lol: 

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6 hours ago, The Bonk said:

 

Convinced that football and logging in here is the worst part of most of their days. :lol: 

My mate who is a complete dinosaur said to me and my mate this morning "I see Tonali wants to be away". We both burst out laughing and said to him almost in unison "stop reading shite media".They are attempting to disrupt us man!

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When watching the game back I did notice how sloppy Tonali was with the ball. Not just the passing, but also letting them take the ball from him easily. Probably one of his worst games for us this season. I expect him to bounce back after the break.

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26 minutes ago, Erikse said:

When watching the game back I did notice how sloppy Tonali was with the ball. Not just the passing, but also letting them take the ball from him easily. Probably one of his worst games for us this season. I expect him to bounce back after the break.

 

After a good start in the game, I thought he was off the pace against West Ham and all. 

 

Hard to judge players on away performances so far.  As almost to a man, they've been below their usual or best levels. 

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3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

After a good start in the game, I thought he was off the pace against West Ham and all. 

 

Hard to judge players on away performances so far.  As almost to a man, they've been below their usual or best levels. 

 

Yeah, it's not just the passes themselves, but also teammates not making themselves available enough. I also saw quite a few misunderstandings, so even the chemistry in the team is off.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Erikse said:

When watching the game back I did notice how sloppy Tonali was with the ball. Not just the passing, but also letting them take the ball from him easily. Probably one of his worst games for us this season. I expect him to bounce back after the break.

 

Very poor with the ball and multiple times where he had the space to take a touch and instead tried a harder first time ball. Moments where we could have really used some possession too.

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