cubaricho Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 Next season I'm hoping it's something like Bruno Tonali - in a double pivot type situation New RW AM Gordon/Barnes Isak We need to do absolutely everything to get the ball into Isak's feet. The dude will score a shitload of goals if we can do that. And with someone in more of a central AM role that plays the ball into feet ala a Maddison type player, that happens. And then with the bench we'll have, we can change the system up with the subs. Although I'm well aware that this is as pie in the sky as the people who think we're changing systems and getting a DM. We're more likely to just get players to fit into the current system that Howe likes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 37 minutes ago, andycap said: Jo is a Brazilian international player now and he's better than casemiro nowadays. Lucky to get 40 million is bollocks. I think he worth about 60 million in today's market. You've been told already, but this summer will be his last year of contract, why would anyone pay £60m for a Joelinton who has 1 year left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 I’d be disappointed if we didn’t get a proper look at Howe-ball with better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 11 minutes ago, cubaricho said: Next season I'm hoping it's something like Bruno Tonali - in a double pivot type situation New RW AM Gordon/Barnes Isak We need to do absolutely everything to get the ball into Isak's feet. The dude will score a shitload of goals if we can do that. And with someone in more of a central AM role that plays the ball into feet ala a Maddison type player, that happens. And then with the bench we'll have, we can change the system up with the subs. Although I'm well aware that this is as pie in the sky as the people who think we're changing systems and getting a DM. We're more likely to just get players to fit into the current system that Howe likes. I’d be delighted with that, we would need a reliable alternative to Isak as well to avoid his injury issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BoSelecta said: I’d be disappointed if we didn’t get a proper look at Howe-ball with better players. In the end, I think this is what's going to happen. Just upgraded across the starting XI in the current system. No DMs coming in, no AMs, etc. It's just going to be Howe Ball, 4-3-3, with better players. (which I am absolutely not against) Edited February 12, 2024 by cubaricho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 17 minutes ago, janpawel said: You've been told already, but this summer will be his last year of contract, why would anyone pay £60m for a Joelinton who has 1 year left? Well kane was in his last year yet spurs got what they wanted for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 53 minutes ago, Beth said: Are you the same poster who said Almiron was worth £35-40m? Don't think so. Maybe last year when he was at his most valuable after his most productive season for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 33 minutes ago, cubaricho said: Next season I'm hoping it's something like Bruno Tonali - in a double pivot type situation New RW AM Gordon/Barnes Isak We need to do absolutely everything to get the ball into Isak's feet. The dude will score a shitload of goals if we can do that. And with someone in more of a central AM role that plays the ball into feet ala a Maddison type player, that happens. And then with the bench we'll have, we can change the system up with the subs. Although I'm well aware that this is as pie in the sky as the people who think we're changing systems and getting a DM. We're more likely to just get players to fit into the current system that Howe likes. For me, I don’t think playing that deep gets the best out of Bruno, and Tonali has never played that deep before either. I’d rather push both further forward and get a new holding midfielder to sit behind them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 Didn’t Tonali play as a DM/the 6 with Brescia and then in a 2 during one of his season’s in Milan? Been a long time since I read anything about him. Playing in the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 doesn’t mean they’re going to be deep all the while or playing as 2 holding mids. All a bit irrelevant. As I don’t see Howe changing systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 (edited) He did eventually bring in Lerma at Bournemouth. Edited February 12, 2024 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 9 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Didn’t Tonali play as a DM/the 6 with Brescia and then in a 2 during one of his season’s in Milan? Been a long time since I read anything about him. Playing in the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 doesn’t mean they’re going to be deep all the while or playing as 2 holding mids. All a bit irrelevant. As I don’t see Howe changing systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 We really missed out by not going for Cole Palmer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 2 minutes ago, vexred said: We really missed out by not going for Cole Palmer. Isn’t he on silly wages? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 52 minutes ago, janpawel said: You've been told already, but this summer will be his last year of contract, why would anyone pay £60m for a Joelinton who has 1 year left? What about all that fair market value bollocks. Ask for £100m. Seems fair to me. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 3 minutes ago, vexred said: We really missed out by not going for Cole Palmer. Instead of who? Quite hard to legislate for Barnes being injured for 4 months with a dodgy toe and Tonali loving a gary gamble. Would have seemed quite a risk based on the fee and the wages at the time. Easy to say now in hindsight. Much like Maddison. Even if we could pay the money. Who’s to say he would choose to come here over Chelsea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 Chelsea were allegedly working on that deal for months beforehand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 6 minutes ago, LFEE said: Isn’t he on silly wages? ‘Only’ £75k, which is nothing by Chelsea standards. That kid they signed from Villa, that’s injured now, is apparently on £100k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe1984 Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 5 minutes ago, SteV said: ‘Only’ £75k, which is nothing by Chelsea standards. That kid they signed from Villa, that’s injured now, is apparently on £100k. Maybe they'll take me. I could lie on a treatment table for oh, £25k a week to start. No sense being too greedy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 7 minutes ago, SteV said: ‘Only’ £75k, which is nothing by Chelsea standards. That kid they signed from Villa, that’s injured now, is apparently on £100k. Definitely if that is what he’s on. Thought it was 6 figures ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 36 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Didn’t Tonali play as a DM/the 6 with Brescia and then in a 2 during one of his season’s in Milan? Been a long time since I read anything about him. Playing in the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 doesn’t mean they’re going to be deep all the while or playing as 2 holding mids. All a bit irrelevant. As I don’t see Howe changing systems. A ‘double-pivot’ would imply playing deeper than playing as a conventional midfielder - particularly in a 4-2-3-1 rather than an attacking 4-3-3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 7 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Much like Maddison. Even if we could pay the money. Who’s to say he would choose to come here over Chelsea? There isn't anything to say he would. He's a good playmaker and can play on the right, the type of player we need. If Chelsea are forced to sell players in the summer I'd love for us to try and sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: A ‘double-pivot’ would imply playing deeper than playing as a conventional midfielder - particularly in a 4-2-3-1 rather than an attacking 4-3-3 Well obviously, yeah. But Tonali has played there plenty and it would give more chance for Bruno to get forward than he currently does as a 6. Like I said though. I can’t see us shifting to that formation. So it’s all a bit moot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 6 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Well obviously, yeah. But Tonali has played there plenty and it would give more chance for Bruno to get forward than he currently does as a 6. Like I said though. I can’t see us shifting to that formation. So it’s all a bit moot. I can’t either tbf (from my own perspective I’ve never liked 4-2-3-1 as a formation, either - but that’s entirely personal preference) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 12, 2024 Share Posted February 12, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, vexred said: There isn't anything to say he would. He's a good playmaker and can play on the right, the type of player we need. If Chelsea are forced to sell players in the summer I'd love for us to try and sign him. I think Palmer is already as good as Madison and he hasn’t hit his ceiling yet, whereas you could argue Madison is as good as he’s going to get. Palmer is also a fair bit younger and more versatile. To get a player of his quality for just £40m was always going to be great business. I doubt he’ll be on £75k per week for long. Edited February 12, 2024 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 13, 2024 Share Posted February 13, 2024 3 hours ago, cubaricho said: I’m just glad Eddie doesn’t see it the same way. More important would be a creative CM in a #10 ilk to feed Isak and the wide forwards and chip in with 8-10 goals. Totally agree. It’s so reactionary. There’s a gap let’s stick a player in it and all will be fine Not seeming to realise how that would completely change the dynamic of the midfield going the other way and moving Bruno out of the central role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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