NUFC Transfer Rumours

[r0cafella]

7 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Club needs a massive shot in the arm this Jan, no fucking about. Hopefully Murphy consigned to the bench when a new RW comes in and ideally a striker too. Pressure on as the season could drift away. 

Needs it but in not sure it will get it, January isn't the time for overhauls, it should have been done in the summer. 

[ExiledGeordie]

7 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Needs it but in not sure it will get it, January isn't the time for overhauls, it should have been done in the summer. 

Im not talking about an overhaul, im talking about a couple of solid signings. I doubt we’ll get a striker but we desperately need a new RW. 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by ExiledGeordie

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Im not talking about an overhaul, im talking about a couple of solid signings. I doubt we’ll get a striker but we desperately need a new RW. 

 

 

 

It will be really interesting to see how we approach it. I think it will be rough personally, we've already shown our knickers to the world and signalled we've got lots of money burning a hole. 

 

I expect some very rough negotiations given we love a bit of premier league experience. 

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It will be really interesting to see how we approach it. I think it will be rough personally, we've already shown our knickers to the world and signalled we've got lots of money burning a hole. 

 

I expect some very rough negotiations given we love a bit of premier league experience. 

I agree with you that Jan is tougher to sign players but we don’t really have a choice. Forward line is desperately in need of upgrading and it needs sorting because there’s still loads of opportunity this season. With the right signings we can have a really strong second half of the season.

 

As you say it will be interesting to see what they do with the money they have. They might have to go to the continent and roll the dice a bit?

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, ExiledGeordie said:

I agree with you that Jan is tougher to sign players but we don’t really have a choice. Forward line is desperately in need of upgrading and it needs sorting because there’s still loads of opportunity this season. With the right signings we can have a really strong second half of the season.

 

As you say it will be interesting to see what they do with the money they have. They might have to go to the continent and roll the dice a bit?

And this is the crux of the matter, as a few of us were saying awhile back ffp was and is still looming large we knew we couldn't afford mistakes in the market and yet we have made a few setting us back. Ultimate rectification of those errors won't happen quickly imo, in fact we are at great risk of repeating them as we almost did in the summer lashing absolutely absurd money on Guehi. 

 

If Mitchell is as clever as he's billed we might be better off taking stock and and considering the whole thing and how we move forward. Unpalatable I know 

[Dr.Spaceman]

I reckon we get our overhaul / shot in the arm or whatever you want to call it in the summer at the cost of one or two purples. I'd be surprised if we qualify for Europe based on the start of the season and even more surprised if we don't and manage to hold onto all of our better players.

 

Don't worry, I'm often wrong.

[ExiledGeordie]

Just now, r0cafella said:

And this is the crux of the matter, as a few of us were saying awhile back ffp was and is still looming large we knew we couldn't afford mistakes in the market and yet we have made a few setting us back. Ultimate rectification of those errors won't happen quickly imo, in fact we are at great risk of repeating them as we almost did in the summer lashing absolutely absurd money on Guehi. 

 

If Mitchell is as clever as he's billed we might be better off taking stock and and considering the whole thing and how we move forward. Unpalatable I know 

You'd think Mitchel with his contacts would be ideal for the upcoming January situation. We obviously don’t know exactly what Howe thinks/wants but he might have to be persuaded to veer away from prem ready players because of the likely nightmarish negotiation and costs going for prem players. 
 

If we’re still going with Murphy down the right and Wilson crocked playing the odd game you can probably kiss Europe goodbye imo.

[ExiledGeordie]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I reckon we get our overhaul / shot in the arm or whatever you want to call it in the summer at the cost of one or two purples. I'd be surprised if we qualify for Europe based on the start of the season and even more surprised if we don't and manage to hold onto all of our better players.

 

Don't worry, I'm often wrong.

Yeah I think 2/3 of our star players will probably be moved on in the summer and wouldn’t be surprised if they’re agitating moves. 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by ExiledGeordie

[Dr.Spaceman]

Just now, ExiledGeordie said:

Yeah I think 2/3 of our star players will probably be moved on and wouldn’t be surprised if they’re agitating moves. 

 

 

 

 

Wouldn't be the end of the world 

[nufcjmc]

Other than top targets not allowed to go in the winter window there should be no excuses. Mitchell will have been in post months and would have seen the issue first hand. There will always be opportunities to find players heading to the last 6/12/18 months of their contract. We might not raise any more through sales in the winter window but we know from the summer money is there just got to hope we can be clever with the funds we have. Issue as always with going abroad isn't that players aren't good enough it's the Eddie factor of waiting a chunk of games to introduce them which depending on how we are doing results wise may not have time for.

[ExiledGeordie]

4 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

Other than top targets not allowed to go in the winter window there should be no excuses. Mitchell will have been in post months and would have seen the issue first hand. There will always be opportunities to find players heading to the last 6/12/18 months of their contract. We might not raise any more through sales in the winter window but we know from the summer money is there just got to hope we can be clever with the funds we have. Issue as always with going abroad isn't that players aren't good enough it's the Eddie factor of waiting a chunk of games to introduce them which depending on how we are doing results wise may not have time for.

Which positions do you think we’re going all out to recruit in in Jan? RW, striker? R CB needed still but can’t see it in Jan now.

 

It'll be interesting to see who goes, still a chance Tripper goes, Miggy maybe?

 

 

Edited October 21, 2024 by ExiledGeordie

[kingxlnc]

I’d expect nothing less than the French Revolution January where we bought 5 first team starters…. 

[nufcjmc]

10 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Which positions do you think we’re going all out to recruit in in Jan? RW, striker? R CB needed still but can’t see it in Jan now.

 

It'll be interesting to see who goes, still a chance Tripper goes, Miggy maybe?

 

 

 

Unless there is an acceptance that this working an a formation shift is needed so we go for say a number 10 it still depends on injuries and form and if Botman comes back. If it remains the same and we don't pick up any massive injuries the only question marks sales wise are on players who are coming to the end of their deal who aren't getting offered contracts. Out of all our players the only one likely to go is trips as it seems the press push the narrative he may want to leave issue is do we get a fee as a loan offer doesn't help us at all as despite his decline he offers something totally different than Tino. 

 

I cannot see us moving away from a RW and RCB we could see a player too good to turn down dealwise elsewhere but money is tight we are a schar injury away from Kraft getting regular starts and Murphy and Miggy continue to compete with who can be the most frustrating least effective crown. 

 

Maybe just maybe Mitchell is a fan of loans and we tap into that to stretch the funds to more areas. Having a goal scoring midfield player or a player that can play a number 10 (assuming Barnes and Gordan cant) would be nice to vary our play book. 

[TRon]

27 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I reckon we get our overhaul / shot in the arm or whatever you want to call it in the summer at the cost of one or two purples. I'd be surprised if we qualify for Europe based on the start of the season and even more surprised if we don't and manage to hold onto all of our better players.

 

Don't worry, I'm often wrong.

 

 

Whether we end up sacrificing one or two purples or not, it's pretty clear that our squad isn't deep enough. We need to be less reliant on those purples so they don't get ideas above their station, especially when they aren't really producing the stats to back up their self importance.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

Whether we end up sacrificing one or two purples or not, it's pretty clear that our squad isn't deep enough. We need to be less reliant on those purples so they don't get ideas above their station, especially when they aren't really producing the stats to back up their self importance.

 

My thoughts exactly.

[La Parka]

5 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Whether we end up sacrificing one or two purples or not, it's pretty clear that our squad isn't deep enough. We need to be less reliant on those purples so they don't get ideas above their station, especially when they aren't really producing the stats to back up their self importance.

It's not hurt Brighton selling purples and reinvesting. 

 

It's all down to how well you use the money. Ideally before you sell so you don't get bent over. 

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, La Parka said:

It's not hurt Brighton selling purples and reinvesting. 

 

It's all down to how well you use the money. Ideally before you sell so you don't get bent over. 

 

It's not even that we particularly want to sell purples, I just think not having alternatives has allowed them to gain too much self importance for a club aspiring to CL football. Isak is starting every game even when he's not fit. Gordon is first name on the teamsheet but he's not really producing so far this season. Murphy is just Murphy, ditto Almiron. That front three looks a lot less dangerous than it should.

[r0cafella]

We aren't Brighton, I see the comparison a lot but the scope of the two clubs is quite different imo. 

 

Here as something's to keep in mind when we discuss selling our best players. 

 

1, Bruno is 26 on a canny wage and isn't exactly mobile it makes him less attractive in the market in comparison to say a Caicedo, we've also built our system around him so selling him would require a big re think regarding how we play. 

 

2 Isak. We paid 63m for Isak so selling him means we need a lot to consider it, his increasingly patchy injury record and the fact the transfer market is slowing down makes cashing in tricky, also replacing a player of such quality doesn't seem feasible. 

 

3 Gordon, we also paid a lot for Gordon and are seemingly on the verge of making him out highest earner. These two factors means any club interested would have to pay a significant amount likely more than he's worth and give him another wage bump, it also remains to be seen if hes as good as I believe or it was a purple patch and he's reverting to his level. 

 

We are unlikely to get as much as we would want for any of our stars to summarise. 

[Groundhog63]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We aren't Brighton, I see the comparison a lot but the scope of the two clubs is quite different imo. 

 

Here as something's to keep in mind when we discuss selling our best players. 

 

1, Bruno is 26 on a canny wage and isn't exactly mobile it makes him less attractive in the market in comparison to say a Caicedo, we've also built our system around him so selling him would require a big re think regarding how we play. 

 

2 Isak. We paid 63m for Isak so selling him means we need a lot to consider it, his increasingly patchy injury record and the fact the transfer market is slowing down makes cashing in tricky, also replacing a player of such quality doesn't seem feasible. 

 

3 Gordon, we also paid a lot for Gordon and are seemingly on the verge of making him out highest earner. These two factors means any club interested would have to pay a significant amount likely more than he's worth and give him another wage bump, it also remains to be seen if hes as good as I believe or it was a purple patch and he's reverting to his level. 

 

We are unlikely to get as much as we would want for any of our stars to summarise. 

 

Merry Xmas 

[Nucasol]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We aren't Brighton, I see the comparison a lot but the scope of the two clubs is quite different imo. 

 

Here as something's to keep in mind when we discuss selling our best players. 

 

1, Bruno is 26 on a canny wage and isn't exactly mobile it makes him less attractive in the market in comparison to say a Caicedo, we've also built our system around him so selling him would require a big re think regarding how we play. 

 

2 Isak. We paid 63m for Isak so selling him means we need a lot to consider it, his increasingly patchy injury record and the fact the transfer market is slowing down makes cashing in tricky, also replacing a player of such quality doesn't seem feasible. 

 

3 Gordon, we also paid a lot for Gordon and are seemingly on the verge of making him out highest earner. These two factors means any club interested would have to pay a significant amount likely more than he's worth and give him another wage bump, it also remains to be seen if hes as good as I believe or it was a purple patch and he's reverting to his level. 

 

We are unlikely to get as much as we would want for any of our stars to summarise. 

An example of us not capitalising at the right time. I think there’s a blend; let’s not be a Brighton or Southampton and be used as a feeder club, selling the moment our stars play well. But let’s not hold all our players until they diminish. Liverpool did it so well with Coutinho.

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Merry Xmas 

 

It's not exactly Mary Poppins levels of positivity, but he's not wrong.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Merry Xmas 

Aye sorry for the miserable takes, just calling it how I see it. It's not easy to flip players for 50m + because your pool of buyers is so small and these buyers already have players who are extremely good when production lines via academies, feeder clubs and scouting networks. We are probably the one club which places such emphasis on premier league experience. 

[KaKa]

58 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

Other than top targets not allowed to go in the winter window there should be no excuses. Mitchell will have been in post months and would have seen the issue first hand. There will always be opportunities to find players heading to the last 6/12/18 months of their contract. We might not raise any more through sales in the winter window but we know from the summer money is there just got to hope we can be clever with the funds we have. Issue as always with going abroad isn't that players aren't good enough it's the Eddie factor of waiting a chunk of games to introduce them which depending on how we are doing results wise may not have time for.

 

January window can be so tricky because clubs always want to keep their better players until the summer at least, when they are more willing to sell.

 

We are also having to be so careful now due to the PSR situation, that we can't take too many risks, because we are in desperation mode trying to make something of the season.

 

Feels like we've already made a mess of things and might be better off waiting until the summer and having a more extensive rebuild.

 

 

[Andy84]

We aren’t Brighton because Brighton sell their best players 

[nufcjmc]

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

January window can be so tricky because clubs always want to keep their better players until the summer at least, when they are more willing to sell.

 

We are also having to be so careful now due to the PSR situation, that we can't take too many risks, because we are in desperation mode trying to make something of the season.

 

Feels like we've already made a mess of things and might be better off waiting until the summer and having a more extensive rebuild.

 

 

Don't disagree that the winter window isn't where you want to be doing your main business and alot of clubs would want a premium for letting players go mid season however it won't be the case for all players especially those out of favour/needing a fresh start/not signing a new deal the RW is setting such a low bar right now that surely we can do better. Ideally we would find a player who can play RW and forward to mix our play up a bit. Potentially sacking a season off to take stock next summer doesn't seem an option for the trajectory the club wish to go in to keep their best players or maximise their value and attract the bigger sponsorship rates etc