NUFC Transfer Rumours

[mondonewc]

30 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

I'd be surprised if half of those players still play for us in 2026.

If we get top 5/CL place think we can keep everyone in that 1st 11, and if any of the subs leave don't think it'll be an issue to find like for like replacements.

 

Of course, it high likely won't go exactly as above, and if that's the case we should then have suitable budget to replace x, y and z, if we operate well in the market. Tough but certainly not impossible, and the main point is we are in a very good position to hopefully now press on to that next level.

[STM]

I love Harvey Barnes but if someone offers us our money back (or close to), we'd be daft not to take the money. Just from the pragmatic/PSR stand point.

 

Obviously we'd all like to see Murphy or Miggy gone first but we'd actually need offers.

[PopeandGlory]

3 minutes ago, STM said:

I love Harvey Barnes but if someone offers us our money back (or close to), we'd be daft not to take the money. Just from the pragmatic/PSR stand point.

 

Obviously we'd all like to see Murphy or Miggy gone first but we'd actually need offers.

 

We had an offer for Miggy and chose to reject it.

[STM]

1 minute ago, PopeandGlory said:

 

We had an offer for Miggy and chose to reject it.

How much was it for?

[Scoot]

4 minutes ago, STM said:

I love Harvey Barnes but if someone offers us our money back (or close to), we'd be daft not to take the money. Just from the pragmatic/PSR stand point.

 

Obviously we'd all like to see Murphy or Miggy gone first but we'd actually need offers.

 

Totally agree with this like. I really like Barnes but he plays in a position where we've got loads of options (Gordon, Willock, Joelinton) whilst we've got pretty shit options on the opposite side. It would make sense to cash in on Barnes and put the money towards a right winger.

[PopeandGlory]

Just now, STM said:

How much was it for?

 

You said:

3 minutes ago, PopeandGlory said:

Obviously we'd all like to see Murphy or Miggy gone first but we'd actually need offers.

 

I was just pointing out, we did receive an offer for Miggy.

 

To be honest, anything with any monetary value would be worth taking for him as at the moment he’s just a complete waste of a wage. We’re not going to get offered anything more than they did.

 

When we barely spent a penny all summer and seemingly had £60m to throw about, we could sell him for 50p and manage to find an upgrade of a replacement.

[STM]

Just now, PopeandGlory said:

 

You said:

 

I was just pointing out, we did receive an offer for Miggy.

 

To be honest, anything with any monetary value would be worth taking for him as at the moment he’s just a complete waste of a wage. We’re not going to get offered anything more than they did.

 

When we barely spent a penny all summer and seemingly had £60m to throw about, we could sell him for 50p and manage to find an upgrade of a replacement.

 

Well I'm just glad you aren't our DoF. 

[PopeandGlory]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

Well I'm just glad you aren't our DoF. 

 

What value do you think we should hold out for?

[STM]

Just now, PopeandGlory said:

 

What value do you think we should hold out for?

 

Whatever value Howe holds in him. 

 

We shouldn't just let players go for free because they are no longer first team players or because certain people in the fan base think they are "shite".

 

Just not how the real world works.

[PopeandGlory]

3 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Whatever value Howe holds in him. 

 

We shouldn't just let players go for free because they are no longer first team players or because certain people in the fan base think they are "shite".

 

Just not how the real world works.

 

The value Howe holds in him is currently our 4th choice RW. How much more money do you expect to get for a soon to be 31 year old 4th choice RW with a very limited G/A rate?

 

In my scenario, we take the money Charlotte offered us as well as lose his wage off the wagebill without any impact on our results on the pitch.

 

Doesn’t seem too far fetched.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by PopeandGlory

[PauloGeordio]

4 hours ago, Menace said:

 

How does a new goalkeeper sound?

A good sweeper keeper, a pacy ball carrying CB plus a 2nd striker whilst we’re at it.

[KaKa]

20 minutes ago, STM said:

I love Harvey Barnes but if someone offers us our money back (or close to), we'd be daft not to take the money. Just from the pragmatic/PSR stand point.

 

Obviously we'd all like to see Murphy or Miggy gone first but we'd actually need offers.

 

Yeah, I agree.

 

Think there'd be a decent amount of interest too, as he has done well for us earlier this season and will be at the forefront of people's minds.

 

Think he's too valuable on the market at the minute to be sat on our bench, with where we are PSR wise.

 

And unfortunately with his current role coming off the bench, due to how things are shaping up with the first team, his value is more likely to drop going forward.

[STM]

1 minute ago, PopeandGlory said:

 

The value Howe holds in him is currently our 4th choice RW. How much more money do you expect to get for a soon to be 31 year old 4th choice RW with a very limited G/A rate?

 

In my scenario, we take the money Charlotte offered us as well as lose his wage off the wagebill without any impact on our results on the pitch.

 

Doesn’t seem to far fetched.

 

Your first paragraph and your second paragraph are contradicting.

 

Howe doesn't rate him so much that he didn't let him go in the summer?

 

He's not needed now, how do you know where our next injuries are coming from? 

 

It's easy to say that NOW the money from the US seems like a good deal (not that we know how much they offered) it didn't in the summer and it wouldn't look a good deal if we picked up 2 or 3 injuries to wide players. 

 

Just a reminder, I don't rate Miggy too highly, I just don't think we can give away players who are currently in the matchday squad.

[PopeandGlory]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Your first paragraph and your second paragraph are contradicting.

 

Howe doesn't rate him so much that he didn't let him go in the summer?

 

He's not needed now, how do you know where our next injuries are coming from? 

 

It's easy to say that NOW the money from the US seems like a good deal (not that we know how much they offered) it didn't in the summer and it wouldn't look a good deal if we picked up 2 or 3 injuries to wide players. 

 

Just a reminder, I don't rate Miggy too highly, I just don't think we can give away players who are currently in the matchday squad.

 

My first paragraph points out that Howe clearly can’t rate him highly if he is limited to 5 minutes every couple of games.

 

My second paragraph points out we received an offer for him in the summer and should have taken it, which would provide some incoming funds as well as removing his wage from the wagebill without any impact on our results due to how little he is featuring or achieving any impact.

 

I’m not sure what the other ramblings in your post refer to. You seem to have tied yourself in knots when you could have just acknowledged we received an offer and your original post was therefore inaccurate.

[STM]

5 minutes ago, PopeandGlory said:

 

My first paragraph points out that Howe clearly can’t rate him highly if he is limited to 5 minutes every couple of games.

 

My second paragraph points out we received an offer for him in the summer and should have taken it, which would provide some incoming funds as well as removing his wage from the wagebill without any impact on our results due to how little he is featuring or achieving any impact.

 

I’m not sure what the other ramblings in your post refer to. You seem to have tied yourself in knots when you could have just acknowledged we received an offer and your original post was therefore inaccurate.

Ramblings? 

 

Your name looks new but I feel like your bullshit is familiar. Changed usernames? 

 

Anyway, I've pointed out why you are wrong, now fuck off back to football manager. 

[nufcjmc]

Think the rumoured fee was 6 or 7m assume we still have a psr value with him so would more likely break even but save his wages. 

 

Wanted 16m offered 9m dollars approx 7m 

 

https://www.themag.co.uk/2024/08/made-public-why-miguel-almiron-didnt-join-mls-club-despite-transfer-fee-agreed-verbally-newcastle-united/

 

Obviously all rumoured, if we then followed that up with the rumoured 40/45m for elanga the miggy fee doesn't touch the sides. 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2024 by nufcjmc

[Matt1892]

2 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

Think the rumoured fee was 6 or 7m assume we still have a psr value with him so would more likely break even but save his wages. 

Break even would still be good business, as any planned amortisation figure would be removed.

 

The problem clubs can have is that with some players they are a depreciating asset, which is what Miggy is, so sometimes you are better off taking less to move them on, compared to having them take a wage when they are filling a space where an upgrade is needed.

[timeEd32]

Wasn't part of the problem that Miggy wanted higher wages and they were taking that out of the fee? 

 

When we didn't sell him I assumed he'd have more of a role than we've seen to date. I'm very surprised we didn't jump at the chance to get two years of wages out the door.

[Dr.Spaceman]

We shouldn't sell anyone below value as it may set a precedent and invite lower offers for other players. Other clubs are cunts with asking prices and some seemingly get their way, why can't we become that?

[nufcjmc]

27 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

Break even would still be good business, as any planned amortisation figure would be removed.

 

The problem clubs can have is that with some players they are a depreciating asset, which is what Miggy is, so sometimes you are better off taking less to move them on, compared to having them take a wage when they are filling a space where an upgrade is needed.

Not going to disagree really letting an asset go for nothing is not good business in a PSR world. Issue is our finances in Jan or this accounting year in general it maybe didn't work for us if you believe the media as being 100% true then we would let him go for 16m we were offered half that which for a 40m player over 5 years would at best cover 1 year of amortisation which may have been a step too far. Your then saying well keep him for the squad as he's too expensive to replace. 

 

We have got ourselves in a little mess really with the older or players who have little value but as other have said you can't sell what your getting no offers on. 

[nufcjmc]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

We shouldn't sell anyone below value as it may set a precedent and invite lower offers for other players. Other clubs are cunts with asking prices and some seemingly get their way, why can't we become that?

It's the whole debate about cut our losses on an asset to move forward even if it means having to sign a certain value of player because of it. Then keeping a player as its financially crippling to go back out in the market for a player than to hang onto them for now. 

[Ronaldo]

5 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

Wasn't part of the problem that Miggy wanted higher wages and they were taking that out of the fee? 

 

When we didn't sell him I assumed he'd have more of a role than we've seen to date. I'm very surprised we didn't jump at the chance to get two years of wages out the door.

He hasn’t had more of a role because he looks terrible every time he’s on the pitch. Sad to say as he’s such a trier but his decision making, execution, eye for a pass etc are all really substandard to the point it’s not worth having him on to press.

[Sibierski]

11 hours ago, STM said:

 

Your first paragraph and your second paragraph are contradicting.

 

Howe doesn't rate him so much that he didn't let him go in the summer?

 

He's not needed now, how do you know where our next injuries are coming from? 

 

It's easy to say that NOW the money from the US seems like a good deal (not that we know how much they offered) it didn't in the summer and it wouldn't look a good deal if we picked up 2 or 3 injuries to wide players. 

 

Just a reminder, I don't rate Miggy too highly, I just don't think we can give away players who are currently in the matchday squad.

Gone over this many times, we shouldn’t be keeping fringe players who are limited, offer little, on high wages, because of the threat of an injury crisis  

 

It means we miss the boat to sell them, stick with their wages, and need to move others on to make up any sort of money. Just never going to learn. If Almiron is getting 100 minutes this side of Christmas, it’s minutes that a youth prospect can have.
 

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Sibierski said:

Gone over this many times, we shouldn’t be keeping fringe players who are limited, offer little, on high wages, because of the threat of an injury crisis  

 

It means we miss the boat to sell them, stick with their wages, and need to move others on to make up any sort of money. Just never going to learn. If Almiron is getting 100 minutes this side of Christmas, it’s minutes that a youth prospect can have.
 

 

Whether or not we sell Miggy we've still got youth players at the club. Eddie has shown time and time again that he'd rather not chuck them in though.

[STM]

1 hour ago, Sibierski said:

Gone over this many times, we shouldn’t be keeping fringe players who are limited, offer little, on high wages, because of the threat of an injury crisis  

 

It means we miss the boat to sell them, stick with their wages, and need to move others on to make up any sort of money. Just never going to learn. If Almiron is getting 100 minutes this side of Christmas, it’s minutes that a youth prospect can have.
 

 

I just disagree with everything youve said.