NUFC Transfer Rumours

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

Id compromise with our keeper and centre backs where experience is key.

 

younger players who can develop and potentially sold in all other areas.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not advocating signing the equivalent of Orsula for centre half, I'm more referring to a profile which is good now with room to grow and of course increase in value. 

[KaKa]

40 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I think it's crucial we sign players who can be resold personally. We already have a squad full of players with no resale value. 

 

Let's not speedrun the Man united time line. 

 

We should be doing that with younger players to fill up the squad all the way through to the youth teams. This work has already started.

 

This does not mean that you then never sign any players that are experienced if it makes sense, and they are not completely past it.

 

We went for Tosin this summer who was 27 because there was value there with no fee and wages that fit our structure.

 

Schar cannot be relied upon next season as a starter. Tomori is a 27 year old centre back that won a league title in Italy, featured in a champions league final, is English with Prem experience and adds speed to our slow back line. They are saying the fee is £25 million, and his wages fit our structure.

 

If we are not considering that type of deal when there is a gap there in our first eleven for him, then we are not approaching things correctly at all.

[r0cafella]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

We should be doing that with younger players to fill up the squad all the way through to the youth teams. This work has already started.

 

This does not mean that you then never sign any players that are experienced if it makes sense, and they are not completely past it.

 

We went for Tosin this summer who was 27 because there was value there with no fee and wages that fit our structure.

 

Schar cannot be relied upon next season as a starter. Tomori is a 27 year old centre back that won a league title in Italy, featured in a champions league final, is English with Prem experience and adds speed to our slow back line. They are saying the fee is £25 million, and his wages fit our structure.

 

If we are not considering that type of deal when there is a gap there in our first eleven for him, then we are not approaching things correctly at all.

Tosin is free, of course we did the right thing trying to sign him, that's not my point. 

 

My point is I wouldn't be trying to sign players for fees who will have no resale value. We've done this before and it's great in the short term but long term it causes issues. .

 

I see the positives of him as a player I like Tomori but as I've said we need a philosophy and a blueprint and we need to stick to it. We can't keep buying safety blankets. 

 

 

 

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Tosin is free, of course we did the right thing trying to sign him, that's not my point. 

 

My point is I wouldn't be trying to sign players for fees who will have no resale value. We've done this before and it's great in the short term but long term it causes issues. .

 

I see the positives of him as a player I like Tomori but as I've said we need a philosophy and a blueprint and we need to stick to it. We can't keep buying safety blankets. 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I can explain it any better than I have.

 

We are not Brighton. And will not just start signing young prospects only.

 

We are aiming to still be a competitive team that regularly qualifies for Europe.

 

There has to be a balance within reason, otherwise we will not be able to compete for European places.

 

And our current best players will have no incentive to stay if some quality players that can make a difference aren't coming in.

 

It doesn't make any sense.

[Poon Raccoon]

Ok I’m going to say it because no one else has.

 

RASHFORD.

 

(Slowly skulks back into a corner waiting to be flogged).

[SteV]

2 hours ago, Poon Raccoon said:

Ok I’m going to say it because no one else has.

 

RASHFORD.

 

(Slowly skulks back into a corner waiting to be flogged).

With a contract til 2028 on 300k a week, Rashford is going absolutely nowhere, least of all here.

[STM]

9 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

were Barnes, Vlad and Kelly missed off for any reason?

 

it’s also only half the story putting hit or miss against them, the real question is whether there is the same output for less cash if you went abroad.

 

you’re really looking at the Barnes and Gordon transfers for that, the other fees are pretty low and what you’d likely pay abroad anyway 

 

Sorry. I was half asleep writing that list. I knew I'd missed some.

 

Vlad = Less said the better

Kelly = Failure so far, I suspect he will come good to a degree. He was also a free transfer.

Barnes = Success. Failure in strategy perhaps.

[Lotus]

12 hours ago, Mikky said:

 

Thia is the profile we need - on a free in the summer 

Aye. Looks great in that video and has excellent stats too.

 

19 years old and available on a free next summer. There will a long queue for him.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Looks like we were tenuously linked to Dibling again yesterday. He looks a real talent but he was apparently homesick for Southampton while at Chelsea so I'm not sure we're a goer 

[Justdoesit]

11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Looks like we were tenuously linked to Dibling again yesterday. He looks a real talent but he was apparently homesick for Southampton while at Chelsea so I'm not sure we're a goer 

 

Dibling and Evan Ferguson on a loan with option to buy would be absolutely class, but not sure it's very likely!

[madras]

1 minute ago, Justdoesit said:

 

Dibling and Evan Ferguson on a loan with option to buy would be absolutely class, but not sure it's very likely!

Would be obligation not option. Only way the selling clubs would be interested.

[Conjo]

12 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Looks like we were tenuously linked to Dibling again yesterday. He looks a real talent but he was apparently homesick for Southampton while at Chelsea so I'm not sure we're a goer 

 

Considering his age at the time it's understandable. Turning 19 soon I'm sure he's more up for moving and standing on his own feet.

[The College Dropout]

Agree with @r0cafella

 

Unless it’s a fabulous deal (like a low release clause) or a free transfer - we need to sign players with resale value.  Like… 90% of players. 
 

Clubs like Arsenal and Spurs rarely sign players without resale value. When they do they are relatively cheap deals for them. 

[TRon]

15 hours ago, duo said:

Targett and Wood were a success in that they helped keep us up

 

 

 

 

Most of our signings of that season were a success on the pitch, massively so really. Unfortunately the ones still here are rapidly depreciating assets, so thanks to PSR, instead of appreciating that success we are reduced to seeing them as liabilities, even though we could afford to keep them on if we were allowed to buy upgrades.

[KaKa]

14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Agree with @r0cafella

 

Unless it’s a fabulous deal (like a low release clause) or a free transfer - we need to sign players with resale value.  Like… 90% of players. 
 

Clubs like Arsenal and Spurs rarely sign players without resale value. When they do they are relatively cheap deals for them. 

 

£25 million for Tomori, is absurdly low for a player of that calibre and experience. And he isn't on high wages currently. 

 

Arsenal just did a similar deal for Merino at £30 million. He is 28. Trossard was also 29 when they paid £27 million for him last year.

 

Spurs just spent £60 million(!!!) on Solanke. He is 27.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by KaKa

[Ronson333]

Dibling, Evan Ferguson and Chris Rigg should be what we’re targeting. They will cost £100 million but they would be part of our side for the next decade. Similar signings to the Tino/Hall level.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Ronson333 said:

Dibling, Evan Ferguson and Chris Rigg should be what we’re targeting. They will cost £100 million but they would be part of our side for the next decade. Similar signings to the Tino/Hall level.

 

They are the epitome of paying a premium forPL experience though. There's a question mark whether they would even impact results in the near future.

[Ronson333]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

They are the epitome of paying a premium forPL experience though. There's a question mark whether they would even impact results in the near future.

I would say they are a reasonable level, it’s the £70m Marc Guehi’s we should be avoiding. £35 million players are fine, it’s the level below the elite but very high on potential.

[The College Dropout]

18 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

£25 million for Tomori, is absurdly low for a player of that calibre and experience. And he isn't on high wages currently. 

 

Arsenal just did a similar deal for Merino at £30 million. He is 28.

 

Spurs just spent £60 million(!!!) on Solanke. He is 27.

 

 

 

Don’t know enough about Tomori to say whether it’s a good deal or not. 
 

I do know that he’s lost his place in the side to the younger Thiaw who many said didn’t look v. good when we were linked. 
 

My memory of Tomori is he’s one of those CBs that doesn’t win his headers - which I personally can’t stand from a CB. They have to be genuinely excellent in other areas to makeup for it imo.  
 

Might still be a deal. But I don’t trust those Milanistas. They sell for a reason. 
 

And he’s Nigerian so I’m taking your advocacy with a grain of salt. You back your boys. 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by The College Dropout

[Ronson333]

Dean Huijsen Is the one we should have signed in the summer. Went to Bournemouth for £15m in the summer and we were linked. He’s tall, wins a lot of headers, got good pace and decent on the ball. He’s still a bit raw but will turn out to be top class.

[The College Dropout]

On Merino and Solanke.  
 

Merino’s a great fee and probably decent wages.  Most Arsenal fans weren’t delighted by that transfer either as it seemed economically driven.  
 

The Solanke deal looks like a luxury signing for Spurs aye. But the vast majority of their signings are done with resale value in mind. And Spurs have zero PSR issues. They pay less than 50% of revenue to wages. Ours is close to 80%. We have totally different financial positions. 

[KaKa]

15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Don’t know enough about Tomori to say whether it’s a good deal or not. 
 

I do know that he’s lost his place in the side to the younger Thiaw who many said didn’t look v. good when we were linked. 
 

My memory of Tomori is he’s one of those CBs that doesn’t win his headers - which I personally can’t stand from a CB. They have to be genuinely excellent in other areas to makeup for it imo.  
 

Might still be a deal. But I don’t trust those Milanistas. They sell for a reason. 

 

Okay, but that's a different conversation, if you don't know him well or rate him personally, because you don't think he's strong in the air.

 

We have already looked at a similar type of defender in Guehi, so it doesn't appear to be a concern for Howe and his team.

 

What we were discussing was the whole resale value thing.

 

And so I just shared examples from Arsenal and Spurs, the two clubs you mentioned.

[KaKa]

14 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

Dean Huijsen Is the one we should have signed in the summer. Went to Bournemouth for £15m in the summer and we were linked. He’s tall, wins a lot of headers, got good pace and decent on the ball. He’s still a bit raw but will turn out to be top class.

 

Do we envision going into next season with someone like Huijsen starting alongside Botman though?

 

Or are you thinking we roll out Schar again in that position?

[The College Dropout]

8 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Okay, but that's a different conversation, if you don't know him well or rate him personally, because you don't think he's strong in the air.

 

We have already looked at a similar type of defender in Guehi, so it doesn't appear to be a concern for Howe and his team.

 

What we were discussing was the whole resale value thing.

 

And so I just shared examples from Arsenal and Spurs, the two clubs you mentioned.

Aye yeh I’m not averse to the odd signing with no resale value.  Just needs to make sense. But it has to be an exception. 

[Monters]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Do we envision going into next season with someone like Huijsen starting alongside Botman though?

 

Or are you thinking we roll out Schar again in that position?

We would be in a better position to know if we had spent a small sum bringing him to be understudy for a season with aim of forcing his way into the team...

In my opinion Guehi is a better footballer than Tomori but obs a lot more expensive, do you envision flipping Tomori in a couple of seasons? If so then you need the replacements on the radar now not when you are about to do the deals