Harvey Barnes

[Lush Vlad]

9 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

That injury against Sheffield United really fucked up his career with us. Not only did it keep him out for a while it clearly affected him when he came back. 

 

Feels like he's back to his full potential now and it's perfectly timed. 

 

Moved to the right when Gordon came on. Not sure I understand that really. Personally I think Gordon should be there instead whilst Barnes is doing so well.

 

Agreed.  But it almost always seems like he has to make way and Gordon goes to the left.  It's not a recent thing, annoyingly. 

 

Not even comparing him to Barnes.  But I'd argue Gordon's skillset should actually work better on the right.  I don't think his finishing is that great when he cuts inside and he's not an elite level passer or anything.  But he has electric pace and is really direct.  When he does get to the byline on the left, which he does quite a bit as he'll often beat his man for pace.  He isn't great on his weaker foot.  For whatever reason, he doesn't seem comfortable there and whilst a very small sample size.  He looked to be pouting a bit when he's been RW and not really gone at the fullback on the outside.

 

Mad position to be.  After how good Gordon was last season, who would have thought he is now struggling to get back in the side.  Due to how well Barnes has taken his chance and because Murphy has been a goal and assist machine all season. 

[Aiston]

Left wing should be his for the rest of the season now.

 

Still, lots of games in a short period so would actually start Gordon vs Crystal Palace, especially with Aston Villa just 3 days later.

[ponsaelius]

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, ponsaelius said:

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

For our system absolutely. 

 

Madderz doesn't fit us at all. 

[Sempiternal]

Seems mad we went with Gordon as the lone striker when we didn’t have one, Barnes might be the second best finisher in the squad.
 

I wonder if he started as a striker when he was at academy level, then moved out wide. Such a clean striker of a football. 

[ponsaelius]

Tbf I just don't think he can play as a single central striker in terms of what else you need a player to do in that position. Gordon is marginally better at the other stuff needed in terms of hold up play, turning with the ball. Neither are a good fit really other than late in a game to rest legs.

 

In a front two in a 90s 4-4-2 he'd have been a cracking striker though

[Sempiternal]

Yeah fair point. Neither really give you anything hold up wise really but Barnes seems to have a real natural strikers instinct, some of his movement in particular. Hes probably a little less tenacious than Gordon, not lazy but he’s not gonna want to engage CBs a ton, but 1v1 he just has that natural strikers feel where you think he’s going to score. I feel the opposite about Gordon 

[Mazzy]

Just now, ponsaelius said:

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

 

Maddison has played quite a few more games than Barnes and he's also got more G/A.

 

Different positions and Barnes was out for a while. Don't think there's enough to say either way really.

 

[pinkeye]

44 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

 

Rumour has it that it is Maddison that is leaking the Spurs team info and trying to fuck up Ange.

He really does hate Spurs doesn't he?  haha.

[huss9]

dont judge players on substitute appearances and the odd game here or there.

 

he goes into the team knowing he's playing the next 4 or 5 after gordon's suspension then injury.

kids been able to relax and play his natural game.

 

that second goal is amazing.  he's central and balls directly in front of him, yet he still manages to bend it into the corner.

made it look easy but it really wasnt.

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, ponsaelius said:

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

 

Out of Leicester's 3 big hitters when they went down, Barnes and Tielemans are flourishing whereas Maddison isn't. 

 

Yet at the time you'd have probably taken Maddison over the other two

[Menace]

3 goals and 2 assists in 5 games

 

[54]

9 minutes ago, Menace said:

3 goals and 2 assists in 5 games

 

Won the corner that Burn scored from in the cup final too, and played a part in the second with the overlapping Tino. 

[Optimistic Nut]

2 hours ago, Thumbheed said:

Aside from being absolutely clinical, I love his link up play. 

 

Makes such a big difference knowing when to release the ball and not only does he do that, his weight of pass is fantastic too. 

 

I thought this when he signed. His link up, and knowing when to play the ball to Vardy was a big factor in their play and relative success. He's so much more than just a finisher. 

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, ponsaelius said:

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

 

Said a few times on here.  But my Leicester supporting mate was adamant we should go for Barnes over Maddison when we were first linked with both.

 

There are a couple of Leicester fans on here.  Be interested to hear their thoughts.

[Skeletor]

We got the better deal. And I say that as someone who wanted us to sign Maddison. Maddison is the definition of a luxury player who only performs when he feels like it.

[Kanj]

Have no doubt that Maddison would be better off had he joined Newcastle or Villa and not that shit show @ Spurs. 

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, Kanj said:

Have no doubt that Maddison would be better off had he joined Newcastle or Villa and not that shit show @ Spurs. 

I think he’s a fragile coward. He’s ill suited to Eddie’s heavy metal football. He’s basically a Lamar song of a footballer, not a Rammstein.

[gbandit]

Maddison’s a total wanker, his head drops, he’s more interested in being a WUM than a footballer. He’s quite easy to bully too. Would hate him playing for us 

[Fak]

2 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

Did we get the better signing from Leicester between him and Madderz?

Yes. 

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

 

Out of Leicester's 3 big hitters when they went down, Barnes and Tielemans are flourishing whereas Maddison isn't. 

 

Yet at the time you'd have probably taken Maddison over the other two

Probably a bit of a sliding doors moment, he might have done well elsewhere, but tbf at the same time I think a lot of people thought Maddison made an obviously bad choice to go there at the time.

[Sempiternal]

I don’t think Maddison comes across like a dick or a shirker? Am I missing something? He dives sure, but they all do 

[Elma]

58 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Out of Leicester's 3 big hitters when they went down, Barnes and Tielemans are flourishing whereas Maddison isn't. 

 

Yet at the time you'd have probably taken Maddison over the other two

 

The first two are playing under good managers. I'll bang this drum till the day I die. The stats say managers only have a nominal impact on results and improved results more closely correlate with spend (both on transfer fees and wages). However, the research on this focusses on the time after a manager has been appointed and the new manager bounce. Of course spend is very important, but good coaches can have a huge impact on results, and simultaneously maximise the impact and therefore value of individual players within the squad.

 

It's also important that managers have a significant say in who comes in. I had steam coming out of my ears watching Ashley buying cheap-ish players and then throwing them at the (generally) inept managers who were either free or cheap (and in Graham Carr's address book) when our top job became vacant.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Sempiternal said:

I don’t think Maddison comes across like a dick or a shirker? Am I missing something? He dives sure, but they all do 

When we were linked with him and we were doing our sleuthing on Foxestalk, it was a pretty widespread opinion that he talked a good game, but did a lot of hiding when the going got tough.

[gbandit]

He’s absolutely fine when in possession of the ball, it’s how easy it is to bully him out of a game when they don’t have possession