Harvey Barnes

[Sempiternal]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

When we were linked with him and we were doing our sleuthing on Foxestalk, it was a pretty widespread opinion that he talked a good game, but did a lot of hiding when the going got tough.

That’s fair enough, I sort of just linked that to his play style, he’s not really a physical player but I’ve not seen him hide from the ball. He’s always come across pretty well in interviews but that could well be the “talk a good game” bit. I don’t think he suits our football at all, he’s not the quickest or physical but I don’t really have an opinion of him as someone who goes missing. Leicester fans would know better than me but yeah 

[alexf]

Always get the impression that Barnes is slightly pissed off that he hasn't played as much as he wanted this year. Looks like he feels he's finally getting a chance to prove what he can do but only thanks to the Gordon suspension and injury. 

 

But there's a danger we piss him off further if he gets shunted to the right now Gordon's back if they are on the pitch at the same time. 

 

Gordon gives us a lot obviously with his relentless pressing and generally possession. But there's no doubting Harvey is clearly the better finisher and more potent goal threat. 

 

But Murphy has been putting up the numbers as well this year so for now on current form it should be Gordon coming on for either and probably on the right if Barnes is still on the pitch. Be interesting to see what Howe does in the next few games. 

[The College Dropout]

He’s better than Gordon at a lot of things tbf. He’s been crucial to us. Maybe a bit like Wilson when we finished 4th, he’s coming up big in the final games and getting us over the line.  
 

Overall his game is a bit more classy than Gordon’s. Better finisher. Knows when to play in his fullback better.  Doesn’t work as hard off the ball, not as aggressive or tenacious but is clearly trying.  
 

Has a decent chance of an England call up you would reckon too. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think Gordon is more suited to the right than Barnes. Barnes is all about threatening the goal.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

The kid is class.

If we want to be properly fucking serious, this is the depth we need and we need the players to agree with that, because they should be properly fucking serious. Next year is top 4 again and the highest position in that 4 we can, a cup run or two, and good progress in the CL. Huge summer but we've been smart and sorted a couple of positions with this kind of quality already, now we add more as we can. Gordon was shit hot last year but Barnes can probably count himself unlucky not to have had more starts and goals this season. 

[Tisd09]

I think Barnes should keep that spot for now, he has earned it and Murphy is on fire the other wing so Gordon will have to bide his time. Great to have options. I wouldn't mind Gordon off the bench when we sub Isak rather than Wilson, as Wilson is offering us nothing at the moment. 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:48 by Tisd09

[Zero]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He’s better than Gordon at a lot of things tbf. He’s been crucial to us. Maybe a bit like Wilson when we finished 4th, he’s coming up big in the final games and getting us over the line.  
 

Overall his game is a bit more classy than Gordon’s. Better finisher. Knows when to play in his fullback better.  Doesn’t work as hard off the ball, not as aggressive or tenacious but is clearly trying.  
 

Has a decent chance of an England call up you would reckon too. 

err no, I still rate Gordon higher. Gordon has the rare ability to create plays out of nothing, Barnes doesn’t.

[Mazzy]

Just now, Zero said:

err no, I still rate Gordon higher. Gordon has the rare ability to create plays out of nothing, Barnes doesn’t.

 

That West Ham draw would suggest different.

 

I think they both have the ability to create something from nothing it's just two different ways of doing it. 

[Optimistic Nut]

Just now, Zero said:

err no, I still rate Gordon higher. Gordon has the rare ability to create plays out of nothing, Barnes doesn’t.

 

Does his second goal yesterday not fall under that category?

[Displayname]

Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Does his second goal yesterday not fall under that category?

Weird thing to say after yesterdays goal

Would kinda agree before yesterday though.

[Zero]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Does his second goal yesterday not fall under that category?

not really.

 

things are clicking for Barnes, playing aside Isak and Tonali. I completely agree at this moment we should start Barnes. But when things changed you will see why we need Gordon to play.

[toontownman]

It's a harsh lesson for Gordon. He did it to himself though. He should have to sit right now with Barnes and Murphy on form.

 

It's not like he won't get decent minutes off the bench but I think Barnes deserves the start right now.

 

That said, with the short turn around in time with matches Eddie might want to freshen things up o  Wednesday or the weekend for fitness reasons.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Gordon was extremely unlucky to be sent off like, I don’t think he did anything to himself. 
 

They’re both class players so it’s all good. Would be interesting if we ended up with half the England starting XI at any point. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 13:01 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Zero]

2 minutes ago, toontownman said:

It's a harsh lesson for Gordon. He did it to himself though. He should have to sit right now with Barnes and Murphy on form.

 

It's not like he won't get decent minutes off the bench but I think Barnes deserves the start right now.

 

That said, with the short turn around in time with matches Eddie might want to freshen things up o  Wednesday or the weekend for fitness reasons.

 

Barnes has been waiting for his chance for so long. He rightfully should keep his place.

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Sempiternal said:

That’s fair enough, I sort of just linked that to his play style, he’s not really a physical player but I’ve not seen him hide from the ball. He’s always come across pretty well in interviews but that could well be the “talk a good game” bit. I don’t think he suits our football at all, he’s not the quickest or physical but I don’t really have an opinion of him as someone who goes missing. Leicester fans would know better than me but yeah 

I watched them a bit that season to try and see it and I did, but it didn't look terminal and it was easy to see how Howe would improve his off-the-ball work. I think Howe wanted him when we were looking for that RW/AM hybrid, which lines up with us going for Szoboszlai the summer after because I remember their FBRef profiles were spookily similar. 

 

Really not sure whether Howe's still after that type of player anymore (Cunha maybe?) but it would be pretty interesting to see what role he would have had here, because I think it would have been Murphy he played instead of rather than anyone in our midfield 3.

[The College Dropout]

15 minutes ago, Zero said:

err no, I still rate Gordon higher. Gordon has the rare ability to create plays out of nothing, Barnes doesn’t.

I didn’t say Barnes was a better player but he is better than Gordon at a lot of things. Gordon’s physicality and mentality can make him a real force. 

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I watched them a bit that season to try and see it and I did, but it didn't look terminal and it was easy to see how Howe would improve his off-the-ball work. I think Howe wanted him when we were looking for that RW/AM hybrid, which lines up with us going for Szoboszlai the summer after because I remember their FBRef profiles were spookily similar. 

 

Really not sure whether Howe's still after that type of player anymore (Cunha maybe?) but it would be pretty interesting to see what role he would have had here, because I think it would have been Murphy he played instead of rather than anyone in our midfield 3.

I always thought Szob was intended to play RW. 
 

Our RW will be so interesting next season.  Currently our Murphy doesn’t a lot more dog work than Barnes or Gordon.  Even yesterday Murphy was pressing the wingback so would find himself deep in our half.  Think Barnes was pressing Maz the RCB so much closer to goal. 

[Harveys Barn]

The guy's a gun. Did some crucial things in our cup win. Runs at pace and aggressively hunts goals.

 

Would have had another goal against Leicester(?) too, if Isak had crossed it to him sooner.

 

Really good teams have some rotation of high quality players, so Gordon and Barnes need to have that mentality. Look at Liverpool with diaz / gakpo / jota etc.

[Kid Icarus]

Wew. @Sempiternal

 

 

Cunha: 

 

[Displayname]

Think maybe it is preplanned that Gordon is going to start midweek considering Barnes played the full 90.

[The College Dropout]

In the tougher PL I think Szob’s work rate is shining through more than his ability on the ball. 
 

Cunha has that bit of magic that I’ve not seen from Szob. At his best too Maddison has more magic.  
 

I’ve also not seen Cunha play RW and he’s right footed.  

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, Displayname said:

Think maybe it is preplanned that Gordon is going to start midweek considering Barnes played the full 90.

You cant not start Barnes on Wednesday if he's fit enough to play. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 15:21 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[andycap]

Gordon has to wait simple as that. 

Early in the season gordon was terrible and Barnes couldn't get a sniff. 

He's a threat with his creativity directness and top class finishing. 

It's a necessity as isak is not playing great of late and his goals have dried up. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Isak’s gone 2 games without scoring. 

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, alexf said:

Always get the impression that Barnes is slightly pissed off that he hasn't played as much as he wanted this year. Looks like he feels he's finally getting a chance to prove what he can do but only thanks to the Gordon suspension and injury. 

 

But there's a danger we piss him off further if he gets shunted to the right now Gordon's back if they are on the pitch at the same time. 

 

Gordon gives us a lot obviously with his relentless pressing and generally possession. But there's no doubting Harvey is clearly the better finisher and more potent goal threat. 

 

But Murphy has been putting up the numbers as well this year so for now on current form it should be Gordon coming on for either and probably on the right if Barnes is still on the pitch. Be interesting to see what Howe does in the next few games. 

 

I doubt Barnes gets the hump about moving to the right. I think he really just wants to play more.

 

He seems perfectly fine shifting over, and I would not be in the least bit surprised if he starts to perform at a high level down that side if he gets more appearances there.

 

I trust him more to do so than I do Gordon down that right side, as Barnes combines better with the players around him to work himself into good positions.

 

Gordon tends to be more aggressive driving forward with the ball into space and loves cutting inside when he does so.