The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 We were shit at Wolves for 90 minutes too. We just scored 2 goals. Didn’t see West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Why can't I stop looking in here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: I totally agree with him as well, I think Hall has looked poor. But isn’t it better to risk putting him, Dummett, Krafth in and resting others for the Spurs game rather than further tiring them and risk losing both games or worse, picking up more injuries? It’s a weird one, I don’t want to question his judgement but it does feel like poor squad management in a period of so many games. From the start tonight or when we went 2 down ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Heron said: Which games in particular? Brighton, Bournemouth, Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: Brighton, Bournemouth, Everton. Brighton, similar to last season, the other two down to the bare bones and fucked. Bournemouth more so, no forward or Bruno. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: We were shit at Wolves for 90 minutes too. We just scored 2 goals. Didn’t see West Ham. Which was our 3rd game in a week. With only a single change made in the starting 11 across all 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Results wise, Everton and Bournemouth are shite results away from home. Brighton you could argue we should be aiming for a draw at least. We lost at home to Liverpool from a good position. Honestly think more is being made of this 'away form' than necessary. It's not that terrible, just isn't as good as our home form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, dcmk said: Which was our 3rd game in a week. With only a single change made in the starting 11 across all 3 games. Aye. We had options against Wolves too. So far proactive subs and rotation aren’t Howe’s style If not pre planned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Our away form isn't good but I don't think it's cause for major concern. It's not like we're getting tanked every time we play on the road. Man City: meh. Brighton: dismal. Milan: gruelling, stayed in it, good point. Sheffield United: annihilated them. West Ham: good fightback, good point. Wolves: mixed bag, good point. Man Utd: exceptional Dortmund: not awful, deservedly lost Bournemouth: mitigating circumstances Paris: exceptional Everton: mitigating circumstances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye. We had options against Wolves too. So far proactive subs and rotation aren’t Howe’s style If not pre planned. Options? Take a look at the bench. He's very proactive subs wise if we have the subs, we did all last season. Edited December 7, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 points from City, Brighton, West Ham, Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton is awful. Last year we got 8 points from those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, madras said: Brighton, similar to last season, the other two down to the bare bones and fucked. Bournemouth more so, no forward or Bruno. Dont know why you are talking about Brighton last sason. Sure did we got outplayed but we didnt collapse. If you are talking about getting outplayed you can add every away game this season bar West Ham/Sheffield U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, madras said: Options? Take a look at the bench. He's very proactive subs wise if we have the subs, we did all last season. Wolves Livramento sat on the bench for 90 minutes while Burn and Trippier rivalled each other in disasterclasses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: 2 points from City, Brighton, West Ham, Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton is awful. Last year we got 8 points from those. Had less games and injuries last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: From the start tonight or when we went 2 down ? From the start IMO. I know he’s not one for needlessly rotating the squad, but I think steadfastly sticking with same players game in, game out when we have such a relentless calendar could come back to bite us, and potentially did tonight. As everyone on here is at pains to point out, the players are knackered. It’s a risk to keep playing them, just as it’s a perceived risk to rotate them, but realistically which is the better option? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Our away form isn't good but I don't think it's cause for major concern. It's not like we're getting tanked every time we play on the road. Man City: meh. Brighton: dismal. Milan: gruelling, stayed in it, good point. Sheffield United: annihilated them. West Ham: good fightback, good point. Wolves: mixed bag, good point. Man Utd: exceptional Dortmund: not awful, deservedly lost Bournemouth: mitigating circumstances Paris: exceptional Everton: mitigating circumstances West Ham 2 points dropped, should have been at least 2 clear before they equalised, after they score ld their first we dominated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Just feels a bit like we blame almost every loss on fatigue right now. Fatigue is surely a bit of a factor, but other teams has to play a lot of games aswell.. It's not like we ever say "good game by us, but they were so tired" when we win against a team who is playing a lot of games. Not that Everton plays a lot of games, but generally. Edited December 7, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyDogs Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Heron said: Results wise, Everton and Bournemouth are shite results away from home. Brighton you could argue we should be aiming for a draw at least. We lost at home to Liverpool from a good position. Honestly think more is being made of this 'away form' than necessary. It's not that terrible, just isn't as good as our home form. More is being made of it?.... You do realise bar the bottom 3 our away from is one of the worst in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, dcmk said: Had less games and injuries last year. Ok. And we’ll have less games next season if we keep it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Wasn't able to watch the game tonight, probably a good thing on reflection. Just seen the goals, they are bad! They are that bad that I am surprised we have conceded them, especially the 1st two being Tripps' fault - just standards you don't expect from him. I think if Pope is in goal he saves the 1st, and I'd probably argue the 3rd too. Really poor goals to concede. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: 2 points from City, Brighton, West Ham, Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton is awful. Last year we got 8 points from those. Last year we weren't in the CL and West Ham had a heavy fixture schedule. Bournemouth were arguably weaker as were Everton. Ideally we'd take 9 from those looking at them realistically, but with our injury situation and fixture congestion, it's not pointing towards anything other than fatigue for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: 2 points from City, Brighton, West Ham, Wolves, Bournemouth, Everton is awful. Last year we got 8 points from those. So emotionally negative. Aye it's not a good return. We also played some of those games with a bench made up of Prostar figures and crash dummies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Brighton were absolutely brilliant when they beat us, I honestly don't get how people don't see that. They had to play extremely fast, precise, high risk football to beat our press and they did it. Edited December 7, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 We can make all the excuses in the world. If we want to get back into the CL or even Europe, we need to be better away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Erikse said: Just feels a bit like we blame every loss on fatigue right now. Fatigue is surely a bit of a factor, but other teams has to play a lot of games aswell.. It's not like we ever say "good game by us, but they were so tired" when we win against a team who is playing a lot of games. Folk didn't blame Brighton or Liverpool or Man City on fatigue. They blamed losses vs Bournemouth and Everton, both games they pressed us after we played 3 games in a week and beyond. So that's not a fair statement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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