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Fair or not, PM is here to stay. Up to Eddie whether it gets turned around. PIF will not be casting the blame on the guy who was still moving his boxes into his office this past transfer window when the issues are the same ones we've been whinging about for 12+ month.

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Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Cringe, definitely not. :lol:

 

Guessing, probably, but if the causation isn't there, the correlation is still un-fucking-deniable 

Not really, we’ve been under par for about 12 months with various factored sighted for this. 
 

We clearly have structural issues which need addressing which have been locked down the road until we’ve run out of road. 
 

We’ve basically hit our glass ceiling and are scrambling and throughout club nobody appears to have any answers. 
 

ah well. We will just hire some consultants or head hunters and hope they sort it for us. 

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4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Not really, we’ve been under par for about 12 months with various factored sighted for this. 
 

We clearly have structural issues which need addressing which have been locked down the road until we’ve run out of road. 
 

We’ve basically hit our glass ceiling and are scrambling and throughout club nobody appears to have any answers. 
 

ah well. We will just hire some consultants or head hunters and hope they sort it for us. 

:lol: Don't even know where to begin, so I'll just start at the end.

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15 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I know I'm very much veering into speculation here, but I can't help but feel like he's ruined everything. :lol:

 

I really don't see how he can affect performances on the pitch like.

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5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

He's been here 3 months. We've been under delivering for at least 10. Any issues we're seeing on field are not of his making. 

 

He will address them though. With new personnel.

We didn't regularly play like this last season like,  especially at full strength. We also overachieved considering the injuries.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I really don't see how he can affect performances on the pitch like.

Not a believer in atmosphere, poor transfer windows, car crash interviews, and media speculation, and the general feeling around a club affecting results then? 

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1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Not a believer in atmosphere, poor transfer windows, car crash interviews, and media speculation, and the general feeling around a club affecting results then? 

 

None of that helps, and blame is not necessarily apportioned to Mitchell on all of it either. I think once it gets to matchday and you get so many poor performances, then you can only look at the manager and the players. If I know Howe - and I haven't heard any interviews yet - he will not be looking for excuses.

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3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

None of that helps, and blame is not necessarily apportioned to Mitchell on all of it either. I think once it gets to matchday and you get so many poor performances, then you can only look at the manager and the players. If I know Howe - and I haven't heard any interviews yet - he will not be looking for excuses.

I'd have thought having the club you support being owned by Mike Ashley for 14 years would change this opinion mind.

 

Howe will be at worst political about his answers, he's unlikely to give anything away that would make things worse, even if in private he believes it.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'd have thought having the club you support being owned by Mike Ashley for 14 years would change this opinion mind.

 

Howe will be at worst political about his answers, he's unlikely to give anything away that would make things worse, even if in private he believes it.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter, that would be tantamount to saying Howe is only capable of managing when he is in charge of everything from who replaces Staveley, who is in charge of recruitment, and the scouting team have to be all his guys as well. Otherwise he just can't motivate the players and get them to perform. I honestly think he's not that petty or egotistical.

 

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Directors direct, if they're criticising direction but haven't yet given their own then rightfully those who believe and statistically have done well under said previous direction will rightly question and be put out by being publicly questioned - I say this without viewing his interview mind...

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Menace said:

You seem to really dislike the chap based off one interview and not much else. The away performance today was no different to some of the shite that was served up last season on a weekly basis, or is that his fault too?

I have to be honest, it really did rub me up the wrong way. Reading the Monaco forum about him played a big part as well. Totally accept that it's mainly intuition based on those two things at this stage.

 

Disagree about the result as well because it's not just that, it's the whole feel of the club at the moment.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I know I'm very much veering into speculation here, but I can't help but feel like he's ruined everything. :lol:

Know what you mean. I feel frustrated as this was a big season for us and Howe - one in which he was going to be judged for better or for worse - but due to the disruption at board level it feels like he's had one arm tied behind his back. Anything that happens is tainted.

 

I'm not gunshy about criticising him in the slightest, but I feel I want to be biased in his favour to counterbalance what I think's going to happen if he's less than perfect this season.

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7 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Doesn't really matter, that would be tantamount to saying Howe is only capable of managing when he is in charge of everything from who replaces Staveley, who is in charge of recruitment, and the scouting team have to be all his guys as well. Otherwise he just can't motivate the players and get them to perform. I honestly think he's not that petty or egotistical.

 

Not sure what you're saying here tbh

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11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We didn't regularly play like this last season like,  especially at full strength. We also overachieved considering the injuries.

 

 

 

 

The last 10 months have been more like this season, than the 4th season. Those 10 months were the transition to this. Injuries were easy to hide behind, but you could see the signs things weren't working as well as they were, and I've seen very little to suggest its going to get back to the good days. Lack of signings are this year's injuries. Yes they both play their parts, but it's not why we're here. It's only recently this place is is actually calling what they see, rather than looking for the excuse. Eventually that kicks in at home games and soon we're looking for a new manager. 

 

My worry is whether it's all pre-planned, with Mitchell wanting his own guy in, one without the 'attitude' (or as we see it, a proper FT manager rather than head coach) and one happy with the players coming in without much resistance. I don't trust him, and had been on board with Eales, but feel I don't trust them. Whether that's justified or not, we will soon find out. I do think Howe is done here though, it's a feeling (not a desire) I've had for a while, with the Guehi saga suggesting games have been played, at his detriment. 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

The last 10 months have been more like this season, than the 4th season. Those 10 months were the transition to this. Injuries were easy to hide behind, but you could see the signs things weren't working as well as they were, and I've seen very little to suggest its going to get back to the good days. Lack of signings are this year's injuries. Yes they both play their parts, but it's not why we're here. It's only recently this place is is actually calling what they see, rather than looking for the excuse. Eventually that kicks in at home games and soon we're looking for a new manager. 

 

My worry is whether it's all pre-planned, with Mitchell wanting his own guy in, one without the 'attitude' (or as we see it, a proper FT manager rather than head coach) and one happy with the players coming in without much resistance. I don't trust him, and had been on board with Eales, but feel I don't trust them. Whether that's justified or not, we will soon find out. I do think Howe is done here though, it's a feeling (not a desire) I've had for a while, with the Guehi saga suggesting games have been played, at his detriment. 

 

 

 

 

 

How could MItchell have pre-planned us playing badly this season? It might well be true that he would prefer someone who will accept his signings more readily, but why would that affect the games match to match? Are players not putting in the effort now? Is Eddie not picking the right sides because he's still pissed off with Mitchell's interview? This is still basically the same squad, we haven't added any Mitchell players yet. I don't think he can carry the can for poor performances.

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1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

How could MItchell have pre-planned us playing badly this season? It might well be true that he would prefer someone who will accept his signings more readily, but why would that affect the games match to match? Are players not putting in the effort now? Is Eddie not picking the right sides because he's still pissed off with Mitchell's interview? This is still basically the same squad, we haven't added any Mitchell players yet. I don't think he can carry the can for poor performances.

Some would have you thinking Mitchell is out there on the right wing for us

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2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

How could MItchell have pre-planned us playing badly this season? It might well be true that he would prefer someone who will accept his signings more readily, but why would that affect the games match to match? Are players not putting in the effort now? Is Eddie not picking the right sides because he's still pissed off with Mitchell's interview? This is still basically the same squad, we haven't added any Mitchell players yet. I don't think he can carry the can for poor performances.

He cannot carry the can as the root cause but he absolutely could be a contributory factor. I think even from Howes interviews where he has played it perfect politically, players that have been signed may have been put out by that, as the scouring and coaching team may have done too.

 

Mind, my hope would be that this would give them all fire in their belly to disprove that statement.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

The last 10 months have been more like this season, than the 4th season. Those 10 months were the transition to this. Injuries were easy to hide behind, but you could see the signs things weren't working as well as they were, and I've seen very little to suggest its going to get back to the good days. Lack of signings are this year's injuries. Yes they both play their parts, but it's not why we're here. It's only recently this place is is actually calling what they see, rather than looking for the excuse. Eventually that kicks in at home games and soon we're looking for a new manager. 

 

My worry is whether it's all pre-planned, with Mitchell wanting his own guy in, one without the 'attitude' (or as we see it, a proper FT manager rather than head coach) and one happy with the players coming in without much resistance. I don't trust him, and had been on board with Eales, but feel I don't trust them. Whether that's justified or not, we will soon find out. I do think Howe is done here though, it's a feeling (not a desire) I've had for a while, with the Guehi saga suggesting games have been played, at his detriment. 

 

 

 

 

Some bits I agree with other bits I disagree with. 

 

Don't agree at all that this season is a continuation of last. This year's lack of signings might well be last year's injuries, I agree, but to you those are excuses, to me they're smack-you-in-face season defining and not at all excuses, the transfer window was a joke and massively harmed our progress and the feeling going into this season. Last season our injuries were a joke and you can easily trace a line through our season when we had injuries and when we didn't. 

 

Agree about Eales and Mitchell though and I find the idea that the latter should be held in higher esteem and given right of way over Howe to be a joke tbh.

 

 

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