Marc Guehi

[The Prophet]

Nothing particularly new here.

[Matt1892]

£70 million would make Guehi the 6th most expensive defender in world football, at that price you only have a limited number of clubs that could afford him, let alone pay more for him in the future.

[r0cafella]

Just now, The Prophet said:

Nothing particularly new here.

Why remind us our pathetic attempt again man? 

[ponsaelius]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

This also explains the lack of offers for Bruno and Isak as well as Liverpools Gordons offer.

 

The liquidity has been sucked out of the market because the rules have teeth and now everyone is scrambling. 

 

Indeed. I absolutely think we were sort of banking on one of them, probably Bruno, going for a massive fee.

 

But obviously the thing that makes us need to sell (PSR), is also the exact thing that stops others also spending mega money to get us out of our PSR issues. It's an unavoidable vicious cycle.

 

We have to be far more savvy going forward and have a clear and more effective strategy. With all the players out of contract out next year I'd be fine with us going for 5-6 younger players that we've scouted and picked at a lower pricepoint (£10-20 million) if that was our strategy. But I also think the club are somewhat concerned regarding optics/PR in needing to be seen to be ambitious and get 'marquee' signings in. So we seem to be aiming for big first XI signings, and keeping our FFP punts strictly at youth level. The issue is we've now not delivered a direct first XI signing in over 12 months 

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Nothing particularly new here.

Water is wet 

[TRon]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Why remind us our pathetic attempt again man? 

 

Maybe Mitchell is sitting by the tv screens hoping to see a Parish interview on Sky saying it's still doable if we up our bid just a teensy bit?

[gdm]

This is the problem with having one or 2 targets. Palace can do what they like here 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2024 by gdm

[Myleftboot]

9 minutes ago, mondonewc said:

I just remember us being linked to him, no idea other than that. 

 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, ponsaelius said:

 

Indeed. I absolutely think we were sort of banking on one of them, probably Bruno, going for a massive fee.

 

But obviously the thing that makes us need to sell (PSR), is also the exact thing that stops others also spending mega money to get us out of our PSR issues. It's an unavoidable vicious cycle.

 

We have to be far more savvy going forward and have a clear and more effective strategy. With all the players out of contract out next year I'd be fine with us going for 5-6 younger players that we've scouted and picked at a lower pricepoint (£10-20 million) if that was our strategy. But I also think the club are somewhat concerned regarding optics/PR in needing to be seen to be ambitious and get 'marquee' signings in. So we seem to be aiming for big first XI signings, and keeping our FFP punts strictly at youth level. The issue is we've now not delivered a direct first XI signing in over 12 months 

Yeah it is a cycle and you have to be creative and have a plan to get out of it which is my biggest concern, I truly believe we don't have much of either. 

 

I actually don't see our actions thus far as aligning with the stated goals, this could be my emotions talking but we've deferred big decisions or not bothered (Training ground, stadium, lack of sponsors, sponsors we have signed up are for terms where we are locked in to figures below our rivals) I'm a broken record I know and I apologise for it, but I just don't see how we compete without a manager doing miracles on a recurring basis which becomes harder and harder with every passing year. 

[Aiston]

Why did we keep trying when they were just giving us the 'fuck off, no' price, changing it each time as well

 

[Myleftboot]

2 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

 

 

[Bimpy474]

1 hour ago, Lotus said:

? Wasn’t the Minteh sale to satisfy last years accounts? Would still leave us with £££ for this season.

 

Not sure mate, but the young player to replace Murphy point still stands. He would have been the mid to long term answer to the RW issue, in fact as it's proving so far, even the short to immediate answer. 

And I'm not sure he could have been developed any better either, spending a season playing at the top of a decent enough league, and in the Champions League.

[Beren]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

No, but mainly because £45m for Gordon at his age and in his position is a pretty crowded price point. That was much nearer to 'the going rate' so to speak, whereas £70m for Marc Guehi as a CB represents a fee reserved for the very best defenders in the world, where's the ceiling from that point for him in terms of transfer fees?

 

Not to mention that if we'd spent the entire transfer window upping and upping our bid for Gordon, never had an alternative, and not signed anyone else in any position, that context would be the thing the annoyed me more than anything. I think I mentioned this yesterday, but if we'd missed out on Guehi like we did Botman (ie having signed other players in the same window) the context is totally different, the fan reaction and the feeling about everything is totally different. It's that we've missed out on Guehi and not addressed any other positions that's galling. 

 

 

 

 

Adjusted for inflation Stones and Maguire aren't that different IMO for a English CB. Albeit in a different PSR environment. Don't think the club would need to retain confidence in recouping full value, given sale is a back up plan anyway.

 

I don't think fan service is factoring into decision making and that's a good thing IMO.

 

The other thing which I think could be at play (and I admit this is quite conspiratorial) is other big clubs making a concerted effort to create a barrier to entry through transfer market gazumping at lower price points. Like with Tosin. Or an alternative structure could be pay a little more than Newcastle and/or agree to loan them back to the selling club.

 

Anyway, don't know how stumbled into the mantle of club guardian. I want a new goalkeeper Actually thought Carlos Miguel looked alright overall on Wednesday.

[Kimbo]

 

3 minutes ago, Aiston said:

Why did we keep trying when they were just giving us the 'fuck off, no' price, changing it each time as well

 

The fact they sold their other CB and kept playing Guehi late in the window were good clues this wasn’t happening as well.

[Yorkie]

4 minutes ago, Aiston said:

Why did we keep trying when they were just giving us the 'fuck off, no' price, changing it each time as well

 

 

Because we were getting encouragement from the player's side, if nothing else. 

[clintdempsey]

1 minute ago, Beren said:

 

Adjusted for inflation Stones and Maguire aren't that different IMO for a English CB. Albeit in a different PSR environment. Don't think the club would need to retain confidence in recouping full value, given sale is a back up plan anyway.

 

I don't think fan service is factoring into decision making and that's a good thing IMO.

 

The other thing which I think could be at play (and I admit this is quite conspiratorial) is other big clubs making a concerted effort to create a barrier to entry through transfer market gazumping at lower price points. Like with Tosin. Or an alternative structure could be pay a little more than Newcastle and/or agree to loan them back to the selling club.

 

Anyway, don't know how stumbled into the mantle of club guardian. I want a new goalkeeper Actually thought Carlos Miguel looked alright overall on Wednesday.

He was good the big bastard. They got him for around 5 million as well. 

[TRon]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

Because we were getting encouragement from the player's side, if nothing else. 

 

How do we know that?

 

 

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

How do we know that?

 

 

 

I'm just theorising, but it seems pretty plausible don't you think? 

[Novocastrian]

No club is going to sell their captain within 7/8 hours of the window closing. We must have given up on this a couple of days ago surely. Anyway £70m for this bloke is insane. I’d rather they have the post transfer window debacle inquest and then get back to a more sensible approach for the next window.

[DahnSahf]

18 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Nothing particularly new here.

 

[TRon]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

I'm just theorising, but it seems pretty plausible don't you think? 

 

Not really. I've already said that all we've heard is that "he's open to the move". That could mean anything. He's also publicly said he's looking forward to the season ahead with Palace. He's got 2 years left on his deal and he could quite easily wait a year and move to Liverpool for £40m, maybe he's open to that as well.

[Shadow Puppets]

5 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

How do we know that?

 

 

He’s been telling some players in our squad that he wants to join (and has been expecting it) for weeks now.

[B-more Mag]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

He’s been telling some players in our squad that he wants to join (and has been expecting it) for weeks now.

Perhaps not the greatest thing to rely on (at least after a certain point, anyway).

[TRon]

Just now, Shadow Puppets said:

He’s been telling some players in our squad that he wants to join (and has been expecting it) for weeks now.

 

Honestly if that's true, I think the deal will get done even now. It's no more than hearsay, but let's take it at face value: maybe he would quite fancy joining, but he's also clearly not THAT fussed on it as Parish seems confident that he's also quite happy to toodle along at Palace if we don't agree a ridiculously expensive deal.

[Shearergol]

3 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

He’s been telling some players in our squad that he wants to join (and has been expecting it) for weeks now.

 

Lad's a really good pro, but if he was really that bothered about a move he'd be handing a transfer request in. Like VVD did to join Liverpool. Like Lescott did to join Man City. Like John Stones did to leave Everton. All good pros.