Marc Guehi

[Lush Vlad]

46 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Someone with beliefs like that isn’t a person I want representing our team. I get there’s a religious element he’s getting at, but you just don’t make a statement like that as it’s irrelevant to the campaign and not about a ‘belief’ - it’s a human right to live the way you want to and not have fear for your sexuality

 

 

 

I know lines can get blurred with stuff like this. But you do know who our owners are, right?……. 

[KennyUtd]

20 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I like to see the PL produce more armbands for more demographics such as minorities, disabled people, aliens etc. See if the stupid cunt writes something about Jesus on those armbands.

Or, you know, just don't wear them at all. Loads of other ways to show support from the Premier League and clubs. Boards all over the ground, initiatives, keeping people safe. Let the players play fkn football. 

[GEFAFWISP]

Glad Mitchell isn't trying to sign this homophobic god-nonce in January and we didn't sign him in August.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, KennyUtd said:

Or, you know, just don't wear them at all. Loads of other ways to show support from the Premier League and clubs. Boards all over the ground, initiatives, keeping people safe. Let the players play fkn football. 

 

We need to know who the captain is though mate, how can we go 90+ minutes without knowing that

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

Not at all. You can dislike the sin, but taught to love the sinner. We're all equal 

A decent sentiment and as a non-believer I hope it’s genuinely felt, although I still disagree with the first part strongly myself. 

[KennyUtd]

1 minute ago, GEFAFWISP said:

Glad Mitchell isn't trying to sign this homophobic god-nonce in January and we didn't sign him in August.

"God-nonce"???? Fkn hell. Behave yourself man. That's a million times more disrespectful than anything Guehi did. And, no, I'm not a church goer. 

[KennyUtd]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

We need to know who the captain is though mate, how can we go 90+ minutes without knowing that

Fuck knows. Maybe a special captain's hat. 

[GEFAFWISP]

1 minute ago, KennyUtd said:

"God-nonce"???? Fkn hell. Behave yourself man. That's a million times more disrespectful than anything Guehi did. And, no, I'm not a church goer. 

Bible shagger it is.

[KennyUtd]

Just now, GEFAFWISP said:

Bible shagger it is.

Always guarantee a message board to bring out the lunatics. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It was inevitable

[80]

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

[Erikse]

6 minutes ago, GEFAFWISP said:

Bible shagger it is.

 

This is literally going against the full meaning of the pride flag.

[GEFAFWISP]

Anyways, enough of that shite Kenneth.

 

Is he just sick of people emphasising the GAY part of his surname and decided to scrawl his holy-humping on a rainbow to make himself feel better?

[Wullie]

Thank goodness Guehi got involved, when it was just Morsy it was a much more complicated intersectional traffic jam.

[80]

Just now, Wullie said:

Thank goodness Guehi got involved, when it was just Morsy it was a much more complicated intersectional traffic jam.

Everyone palpably shat themselves

[madras]

4 minutes ago, 80 said:

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

So if I create a religion that includes human sacrifices its ok ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, 80 said:

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

 

Good point

 

I guess sometimes rights conflict when there are different minority groups involved. Your right to religious freedom means you persecute another group who has the right to equality and protection from discrimination.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, madras said:

So if I create a religion that includes human sacrifices its ok ?

 

Somehow it feels like you might be asking for forgiveness and not permission here. 

[Pablo123]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

A decent sentiment and as a non-believer I hope it’s genuinely felt, although I still disagree with the first part strongly myself. 

And that's perfectly fine. I'm not here to diminish anyone's beliefs, or force my beliefs on anyone. Live and let live, and be kind to one another

[Ellis H]

11 minutes ago, 80 said:

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

There’s quite a big and deliberate difference between Cisse kissing the ground when he scored and what Guehi has done. The inference is extremely clear, even if some are choosing not to see it due to their own “beliefs”.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 13:49 by Ellis H
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[madras]

Hey, has anyone bothered to ask if its love for Gabriel Jesus ?

[St. Maximin]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I think we know what he’s getting at

 

His religion generally thinks that gays are bad and he believes that above the support of those people. Not Jesus specifically maybe, but orthodox Christianity as a faith. 

 

 

 

It actually says that everyone is a sinner and gay people are no worse than straight people, but gay sex is a sin (not that all the followers think like that). I've mentioned before I grew up Christian and also think organised religion is ridiculous, but most people don't just happen to hate gays because of their beliefs. A lot of them, quite possibly Guehi here, feel compelled to follow the Bible and might even do it reluctantly, but just accepting they have to. I didn't know anyone who actually wanted to believe gay sex was a sin, let alone hated gays and I've known hundreds of Christians, so I'm in a pretty good place to comment here.

 

As always with these things some of the reactions are ridiculous, including on here. I do think Guehi is foolish for how he's acted, but he'd still be getting stick for just not wearing the armband altogether. Ultimately, people can interpet the meaning of it differently - for some it may just be about anti-discrimination in football, whereas for others it might be something more political and therefore I can understand why followers of Abrahamic religions feel it's incompatible with their beliefs even if it's just down to their interpetations. Why should they be forced to wear something they feel goes against their personal beliefs? Many footballers have quietly not taken part without making a fuss yet have still been made out to be nasty homophobes - it's a far cry from that rugby player explicitly sharing his views on social media.

 

It's like people just don't want nuance and room for subjectivity here. The supposedly tolerant people are very quick to put people in the racist/homophobic/Islamophobic/anti-semitic box without recognising their personal reasons. Funny how people sneer at "the gammons" for getting upset that James McLean doesn't wear a poppy (which he has every right not to, due to his own personal reasons), but that approach doesn't apply for religion. Doesn't want to wear a rainbow flag? Homophobe. Doesn't want to take the knee? Racist. Doesn't want to wear a poppy? IRA supporter.

[StuToon]

Extremely long time lurker and first time poster... so apologies in advance!

 

I'll start out by saying I'm a Christian and have been for a long time. I felt I should try and put forward the Christianity side of this debate.

 

Firstly, the bible teaches not to judge. And that means anyone, no matter what the "sin". And it also teaches that all sin is equal.

 

When someone becomes a Christian, it's a complete change of life. It's not something that you just switch on and off, it impacts every aspect of life. But it's hard to get it right all the time and certainly people get it wrong all the time, sometimes to the detriment of the Christian message.

 

Ultimately, Christians believe God teaches that everyone should be and deserves to be loved regardless of their beliefs or lifestyle.

 

I hope that what Marc Guehi was trying to show was that he believes in Jesus but also wanted to show his support for the LGBT community. That Christianity is for all. And that's why he chose to still wear the arm band with a Christian message.

 

True Christianity teaches love not hate. Obviously I can't speak for everyone who claims to be a "Christian" but I can say for sure that anyone using homophobic or judgemental language about any minority is not following the message of the bible. Unfortunately there are plenty out there where that is the case.

 

Apologies for the long and perhaps controversial first post but felt I needed to say something. Hopefully I haven't caused offence but just wanted to put across the side of Christianity!

 

And fair play if you managed to read it all...

[80]

13 minutes ago, madras said:

So if I create a religion that includes human sacrifices its ok ?

That's subject to a priest-judge deciding which right they prefer, but either way you'd retain your right to it.

 

NB. I think human rights discourse riddled with horse shit and intellectually bankrupt.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 13:56 by 80

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

It actually says that everyone is a sinner and gay people are no worse than straight people, but gay sex is a sin (not that all the followers think like that). I've mentioned before I grew up Christian and also think organised religion is ridiculous, but most people don't just happen to hate gays because of their beliefs. A lot of them, quite possibly Guehi here, feel compelled to follow the Bible and might even do it reluctantly, but just accepting they have to. I didn't know anyone who actually wanted to believe gay sex was a sin, let alone hated gays and I've known hundreds of Christians, so I'm in a pretty good place to comment here.

 

As always with these things some of the reactions are ridiculous, including on here. I do think Guehi is foolish for how he's acted, but he'd still be getting stick for just not wearing the armband altogether. Ultimately, people can interpet the meaning of it differently - for some it may just be about anti-discrimination in football, whereas for others it might be something more political and therefore I can understand why followers of Abrahamic religions feel it's incompatible with their beliefs even if it's just down to their interpetations. Why should they be forced to wear something they feel goes against their personal beliefs? Many footballers have quietly not taken part without making a fuss yet have still been made out to be nasty homophobes - it's a far cry from that rugby player explicitly sharing his views on social media.

 

It's like people just don't want nuance and room for subjectivity here. The supposedly tolerant people are very quick to put people in the racist/homophobic/Islamophobic/anti-semitic box without recognising their personal reasons. Funny how people sneer at "the gammons" for getting upset that James McLean doesn't wear a poppy (which he has every right not to, due to his own personal reasons), but that approach doesn't apply for religion. Doesn't want to wear a rainbow flag? Homophobe. Doesn't want to take the knee? Racist. Doesn't want to wear a poppy? IRA supporter.

 

This.. If Guehi was actually being hateful, I would never defend it. But we are just jumping to the conclusion that he hates all gay people because he doesn't seem to fully support pride. It's a massive polarization. I truly doubt that he would actually hate someone for being gay.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 13:55 by Erikse