Marc Guehi

[DiddyLevine]

22 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I respect their right to different beliefs but I can’t accept that extends to accepting that people are fundamentally inferior because of things like sexuality. Do we just say to racists that their believes are equally valid? 

Being christian and seeing homosexuality as sinful is not the same as being racist

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

Being christian and seeing homosexuality as sinful is not the same as being racist

In what way? Because there is scripture? 
 

I’m not sure how much value there is in this argument, the result is that you’re saying one group of people is inferior to another. 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[KennyUtd]

12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah, I think we get that generally. But what would you do in the case that the PL wants to promote equality and a player doesn’t? 

The Premier League can promote equality all they like. Just don't force it onto people with different views. He's clearly a decent lad who lives an honest life. Not falling out of pubs or shagging around. At least not that we've heard. But he's a football player.  Not an educator. If he lives his life and is an example to others, makes his family proud, that's all he's responsible for. I mean, I would have just refused to wear it at all if he feels so strongly like. On the other hand, I personally, would have just worn it. 

[Skeletor]

1 minute ago, DiddyLevine said:

Being christian and seeing homosexuality as sinful is not the same as being racist

 

 

[nufcjmc]

2 hours ago, Skeletor said:

 

I don't care how he feels or if its misguided or not. I have had to put up with this sort of bullshit my whole life and I'm fed up with it.

 

 

 

Like I say I can't understand your view point as I have no stake in it. Certainly you have my respect for speaking out when you feel so strongly.

 

Because to me it's just a rainbow I don't see his actions as anything other than niave at best and he hasn't said or written anything aggressive to the point of promoting hate or hate speech about any sort of group. Obviously I am aware that branches of religion don't align with people's sexual preference and outside of the country it can have deadly consequences so not going to pretend there is  no part whatsoever where it maybe construde that way. 

 

Hence why I would prefer its supported by the clubs and in the stadiums but kept off the field. 

 

For example my kids are severely disabled my son can't stand loud noises and regularly self harms due to sensory overload. The club have setup a quiet space in the stadium where you can be part of the match day experience but not the noise of the crowd. Not sure how well advertised it is but it's an inclusive thing I appreciate that doesn't need to be heavily promoted. 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by nufcjmc

[Pablo123]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

In what way? Because there is scripture? 
 

Im not sure how much value there is in this argument, the result is that you’re saying one group of people is inferior to another. 

 

 

 

Not at all. You can dislike the sin, but taught to love the sinner. We're all equal 

[Lush Vlad]

46 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Someone with beliefs like that isn’t a person I want representing our team. I get there’s a religious element he’s getting at, but you just don’t make a statement like that as it’s irrelevant to the campaign and not about a ‘belief’ - it’s a human right to live the way you want to and not have fear for your sexuality

 

 

 

I know lines can get blurred with stuff like this. But you do know who our owners are, right?……. 

[KennyUtd]

20 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

I like to see the PL produce more armbands for more demographics such as minorities, disabled people, aliens etc. See if the stupid cunt writes something about Jesus on those armbands.

Or, you know, just don't wear them at all. Loads of other ways to show support from the Premier League and clubs. Boards all over the ground, initiatives, keeping people safe. Let the players play fkn football. 

[GEFAFWISP]

Glad Mitchell isn't trying to sign this homophobic god-nonce in January and we didn't sign him in August.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, KennyUtd said:

Or, you know, just don't wear them at all. Loads of other ways to show support from the Premier League and clubs. Boards all over the ground, initiatives, keeping people safe. Let the players play fkn football. 

 

We need to know who the captain is though mate, how can we go 90+ minutes without knowing that

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

Not at all. You can dislike the sin, but taught to love the sinner. We're all equal 

A decent sentiment and as a non-believer I hope it’s genuinely felt, although I still disagree with the first part strongly myself. 

[KennyUtd]

1 minute ago, GEFAFWISP said:

Glad Mitchell isn't trying to sign this homophobic god-nonce in January and we didn't sign him in August.

"God-nonce"???? Fkn hell. Behave yourself man. That's a million times more disrespectful than anything Guehi did. And, no, I'm not a church goer. 

[KennyUtd]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

We need to know who the captain is though mate, how can we go 90+ minutes without knowing that

Fuck knows. Maybe a special captain's hat. 

[GEFAFWISP]

1 minute ago, KennyUtd said:

"God-nonce"???? Fkn hell. Behave yourself man. That's a million times more disrespectful than anything Guehi did. And, no, I'm not a church goer. 

Bible shagger it is.

[KennyUtd]

Just now, GEFAFWISP said:

Bible shagger it is.

Always guarantee a message board to bring out the lunatics. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It was inevitable

[80]

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

[Erikse]

6 minutes ago, GEFAFWISP said:

Bible shagger it is.

 

This is literally going against the full meaning of the pride flag.

[GEFAFWISP]

Anyways, enough of that shite Kenneth.

 

Is he just sick of people emphasising the GAY part of his surname and decided to scrawl his holy-humping on a rainbow to make himself feel better?

[Wullie]

Thank goodness Guehi got involved, when it was just Morsy it was a much more complicated intersectional traffic jam.

[80]

Just now, Wullie said:

Thank goodness Guehi got involved, when it was just Morsy it was a much more complicated intersectional traffic jam.

Everyone palpably shat themselves

[madras]

4 minutes ago, 80 said:

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

So if I create a religion that includes human sacrifices its ok ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, 80 said:

Ironically, given the talk of human rights, it's literally article 18 of the human rights declaration that everyone has the right to manifest and observe their religious beliefs in public.

 

Good point

 

I guess sometimes rights conflict when there are different minority groups involved. Your right to religious freedom means you persecute another group who has the right to equality and protection from discrimination.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, madras said:

So if I create a religion that includes human sacrifices its ok ?

 

Somehow it feels like you might be asking for forgiveness and not permission here. 

[Pablo123]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

A decent sentiment and as a non-believer I hope it’s genuinely felt, although I still disagree with the first part strongly myself. 

And that's perfectly fine. I'm not here to diminish anyone's beliefs, or force my beliefs on anyone. Live and let live, and be kind to one another