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1 minute ago, DiddyLevine said:

Not all christians are zealots . Not all are Bible literalists . 

The bible like any other screed can be selectively quoted to represent any number of views including ones that are pro or anti gay .

Maybe dont judge christians as a monolithic bloc 

 

What you choose to be offended by tells the story of who you are. 

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3 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

 

Well, yes. If he believes an entirely fictitious magic sky man from an ancient fairytale has told him to deny actual, real human beings their fundamental rights then yes, he can and absolutely should be judged on this.

 

In my opinion it reflects poorly on him as a human being on several levels, and whilst he's free to have his opinions, I'm equally free to judge him on them.

 

In return, of course you're all free to judge me on that. :)


Need spoiler alerts on some of this :bluestar:

 

Next someone will be trying to tell me that Santa isn’t real 

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Just now, DiddyLevine said:

That maybe says a lot about you ...

 

Yes. It works both ways. I am offended that Guehi is doing this, yes. And that says a lot about me.

 

You and others are offended that he is being asked to wear it. And that says a lot about you.

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Just now, Memphis said:

 

Yes. It works both ways. I am offended that Guehi is doing this, yes. And that says a lot about me.

 

You and others are offended that he is being asked to wear it. And that says a lot about you.

Im not offended in the slightest but maybe its worth considering that the FA shouldnt attempt to impose these things on players and let them choose to do it or not off their own bat 

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Kid Icarus

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May I interest you all in Frontline: The Culture War thread in chat?

 

Discuss questions such as: cancel culture, gone too far? Do you criticise yet choose to live in a society? Is it okay for ambulances to be gay? Grifters or philosophers? If we criticise Ricky Gervais for not being funny anymore and everyone's there to hear him, is he still being oppressed? 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

 

Well, yes. If he believes an entirely fictitious magic sky man from an ancient fairytale has told him to deny actual, real human beings their fundamental rights then yes, he can and absolutely should be judged on this.

 

In my opinion it reflects poorly on him as a human being on several levels, and whilst he's free to have his opinions, I'm equally free to judge him on them.

 

In return, of course you're all free to judge me on that. :)

 

Edit: I've just read he didn't refuse to wear the armband, just wrote something secular on it. So maybe he doesn't want to deny anyone any rights at all, I don't know. But my point stands that everyone has the right to judge the actions of everyone else, that's the consequence of using your right to free speech to say it do something negative.

 

 

 

Well, I don't judge people for having different opinions/beliefs. I think you're probably extremely indoctrinated that you believe in the big bang, but I wouldn't judge you for it, even if it sounds so far fetched 

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Just now, mouldy_uk said:


Need spoiler alerts on some of this :bluestar:

 

Next someone will be trying to tell me that Santa isn’t real 

 

 

That would be a bridge too far.

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11 minutes ago, Memphis said:

 

Here are you referring to his own hypocrisy?

 

I can't take someone seriously claiming to be a serious zealot who cannot compromise their beliefs when that same person has endorsed other sinful behavior without incident for years. That then removes the idea of strictly "religious opposition" allowing you to write 'I love Jesus' on the armband - knowing full well why you're choosing to call attention to your unwillingness to just wear the armband as is.

 

Either you are a devout Christian who cannot countenance wearing anything that would endorse sinful behavior, or you are a hypocrite and a homophobe because you're OK with gambling but somehow not OK with endorsing the idea that gay people should be allowed to play sport without being bullied or threatened.

 

Not being funny but our own fans spent years saying it was impossible to 'support the team without directly supporting the regime' and highlighting Mike Ashley's dodgy business practices and treatment of sports direct staff etc. Only to say it doesn't matter  that our now owners literally execute people for being gay as you can support the team without supporting the regime :lol:

 

If the Suadis ran us like Ashley people would have a problem with the fact we are a sportswashing operation for some of the most evil people in existence and suddenly that would all be highlighted but whilst they're pumping in all the money they can, making stadium plans etc nobody cares. Taking the moral high ground over what Guehi has done and calling him a hypocrite seems a bit daft in our position. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Are you 12?

 

This is a strange response. It's a pretty simple thing. Captains being asked to wear the armband to show support for LGBTQ athletes. Why would you not want to? 

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1 minute ago, Pablo123 said:

Well, I don't judge people for having different opinions/beliefs. I think you're probably extremely indoctrinated that you believe in the big bang, but I wouldn't judge you for it, even if it sounds so far fetched 

 

There is an absolute mountain of evidence for the big bang. I did my dissertation on it. Come at me. 

 

Red shifts, cosmic microwave background radiation. Inflation theory. There's been mountains of science done on it, each validating the previous work.

 

If you want to dispute the big bang, do you own science to disprove it, don't just yell "indoctrination" like some tin-hat wearing loon.

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2 minutes ago, Memphis said:

 

This is a strange response. It's a pretty simple thing. Captains being asked to wear the armband to show support for LGBTQ athletes. Why would you not want to? 

Erm he did wear the armband ...

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1 minute ago, Jaqen said:

 

Not being funny but our own fans spent years saying it was impossible to 'support the team without directly supporting the regime' and highlighting Mike Ashley's dodgy business practices and treatment of sports direct staff etc. Only to say it doesn't matter  that our now owners literally execute people for being gay as you can support the team without supporting the regime :lol:

 

If the Suadis ran us like Ashley people would have a problem with the fact we are a sportswashing operation for some of the most evil people in existence and suddenly that would all be highlighted but whilst they're pumping in all the money they can, making stadium plans etc nobody cares. Taking the moral high ground over what Guehi has done and calling him a hypocrite seems a bit daft in our position. 

 

 

The difference here is that none of our fans - to my knowledge - are claiming some sort of religious exemption to avoid supporting the team or regime or whatever. Bringing the religious aspect into this is where I am struggling. You are right that we are all hypocrites to a degree, though.

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2 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

There is an absolute mountain of evidence for the big bang. I did my dissertation on it. Come at me. 

 

Red shifts, cosmic microwave background radiation. Inflation theory. There's been mountains of science done on it, each validating the previous work.

 

If you want to dispute the big bang, do you own science to disprove it, don't just yell "indoctrination" like some tin-hat wearing loon.

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12 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

Well, I don't judge people for having different opinions/beliefs. I think you're probably extremely indoctrinated that you believe in the big bang, but I wouldn't judge you for it, even if it sounds so far fetched 

 

Just asking like, do you think the earth is flat?

 

No real reason, just curious.

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2 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

There is an absolute mountain of evidence for the big bang. I did my dissertation on it. Come at me. 

 

Red shifts, cosmic microwave background radiation. Inflation theory. There's been mountains of science done on it, each validating the previous work.

 

If you want to dispute the big bang, do you own science to disprove it, don't just yell "indoctrination" like some tin-hat wearing loon.

Well, I believe the bible, that God created us and not a completely random event that created a whole system which worked in perfect tandem, and a body that can heal itself and have stuff like emotion and such like. I believe in a creator, you believe in a complete fluke by the looks of things, but that's fine. I can't disprove you, and you'll never take away my faith

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