Marc Guehi

[Chicken Dancer]

I'd definitely be interested at a (much) reduced price in the summer. He's a good defender playing in a mid-table side. Understand they've just conceded 10 in 2 games but they also recently went 6(?) off the bounce without conceding away from home.

 

He's quick and reads the game well. He's Premier League ready and an England international. If we could get him at £40m I'd definitely bite.

 

Unfortunately, defenders who can spray it like Schar are few and far between. Though that being said, I do think Schar has at least another season of top-level football in him. He's like wine him, both in body and in footballing ability.

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, enthusiast said:

outspoken homophobia is an instant fail of the no dickheads rule iyam

 

Well we bid for him and actively tried to sign him, so clearly they haven't labelled him as being homophobic like you have.

 

I'm not sure you understand what that word means.

[enthusiast]

30 minutes ago, southernmag said:

You can think he's a 'dickhead' for that, and want to shut him out of our club. But that also strikes me as odd from those often claiming love and tolerance as surpassing virtues. Clearly love and tolerance are very, very selective.

 

i've never once claimed "love and tolerance as surpassing virtues" and have neither need nor desire to tolerate retrogressive bigoted shite that harms a huge number of people. it's not that i don't want his opinions in my club, i don't want them in my society.

 

besides, i said outspoken homophobia: can't control what he thinks and wouldn't want to, i just don't want it rammed down my throat.

[jack j]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Well we bid for him and actively tried to sign him, so clearly they haven't labelled him as being homophobic like you have.

 

I'm not sure you understand what that word means.

The armband incident was after we tried to.sign him tbf

[enthusiast]

and i'm very comfortable in my understanding of homophobia, thanks.

[Hovagod]

38 minutes ago, southernmag said:

It's interesting how the term 'homophobia' has been hijacked to accuse some of having a phobia of a whole people group, when actually it means (in many cases, and clearly Guehi's) a moral objection to an aspect of their lifestyle. Two completely different things. He doesn't have a mortal fear (or, contrary to popular rhetoric, a loathing) of homosexuals. He just dislikes something they do. 

 

You can think he's a 'dickhead' for that, and want to shut him out of our club. But that also strikes me as odd from those often claiming love and tolerance as surpassing virtues. Clearly love and tolerance are very, very selective.

 

 

 

The real bigots are the people that dislike bigots. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

Wait 'til you hear about our owners.

[Ellis H]

1 hour ago, enthusiast said:

outspoken homophobia is an instant fail of the no dickheads rule iyam

Definitely. It’s odd to see so many turn their noses up at Cunha but are happy to wave something far, far worse through.

 

We will need to sign dickheads eventually because they tend to be the best players but this is something else entirely.

[Hovagod]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Wait 'til you hear about our owners.

They’re scum.

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, enthusiast said:

and i'm very comfortable in my understanding of homophobia, thanks.

 

It's certainly your understanding.

 

And so will leave you to it.

[enthusiast]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

Wait 'til you hear about our owners.

yeah, well i don't like them much either (though not as actively as they'd dislike me if we ever met).

[Pixelphish]

Ah good, this again.

[Novocastrian]

What’s his contract situation now? If he’s only got a year left I wouldn’t go higher than £20m. I think we can do much better.

[TheBrownBottle]

59 minutes ago, southernmag said:

It's interesting how the term 'homophobia' has been hijacked to accuse some of having a phobia of a whole people group, when actually it means (in many cases, and clearly Guehi's) a moral objection to an aspect of their lifestyle. Two completely different things. He doesn't have a mortal fear (or, contrary to popular rhetoric, a loathing) of homosexuals. He just dislikes something they do. 

 

You can think he's a 'dickhead' for that, and want to shut him out of our club. But that also strikes me as odd from those often claiming love and tolerance as surpassing virtues. Clearly love and tolerance are very, very selective.

 

 

 

He’s not frightened - he hates them for them being themselves.

 

Well that’s all ok then - thanks for the explanation.

 

(Of course, the term hasn’t been ‘hijacked’ and you’re talking complete and utter bollocks.  Homosexuality isn’t a ‘lifestyle [choice]’, nor does prejudice against it reflect a ‘moral objection’.  It’s good old fashioned bigotry). 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, huss9 said:

not got a signing wrong yet.

His record is second to none, though I’d argue that Targett (permanent) is a blemish

[Tonalis Bookie]

Still think hes the perfect partner for Botman long term. The guy also having firm beliefs and backing them publicly is a rarity in the game these days. We are all entitled to our beliefs and id rather have somebody strong enough as an individual in the team than somebody without that strength.

 

Personally peoples beliefs dont bother me, it's the player and the personality and I think he has both. Get him & Trafford and solidify the backline for 10 years 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

Still think hes the perfect partner for Botman long term. The guy also having firm beliefs and backing them publicly is a rarity in the game these days. We are all entitled to our beliefs and id rather have somebody strong enough as an individual in the team than somebody without that strength.

 

Personally peoples beliefs dont bother me, it's the player and the personality and I think he has both. Get him & Trafford and solidify the backline for 10 years 

I mean, it might be a problem if the rest of the dressing aren’t bigoted cunts tbf.  Could even cause a bit of disharmony. 

[Tonalis Bookie]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I mean, it might be a problem if the rest of the dressing aren’t bigoted cunts tbf.  Could even cause a bit of disharmony. 

 

Would you say this of other people with religious beliefs? Perhaps it's bigoted to dislike somebody because of the beliefs of their religions. This in turn would turn on you.....

 

Social narratives dictate views but they can always be turned.

[rebelrouser]

There is no way Steve Parish doesn't draw this out and demand a ridiculous fee again. I hope we engage but sign someone else at a cheaper price without telling CP and he leaves later at a much lower fee or better yet, next summer on a free. 

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

Would you say this of other people with religious beliefs? Perhaps it's bigoted to dislike somebody because of the beliefs of their religions. This in turn would turn on you.....

 

Social narratives dictate views but they can always be turned.

Yep, I happily would say it.  They can hide behind it all they want - most seem perfectly happily not to live by all the requirements of Leviticus, but just can’t help banging on about what Leviticus says about homosexuality

 

And beliefs are precisely that - they can be changed.  Sexual orientation can’t be changed - you’re born with it.  So you can’t choose to be gay, but you can choose to be a cunt

[Tonalis Bookie]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yep, I happily would say it.  They can hide behind it all they want - most seem perfectly happily not to live by all the requirements of Leviticus, but just can’t help banging on about what Leviticus says about homosexuality

 

And beliefs are precisely that - they can be changed.  Sexual orientation can’t be changed - you’re born with it.  So you can’t choose to be gay, but you can choose to be a cunt

 

So you're happy if people say that about you, because you are holding public views against a set of people you disagree with?

 

I personally think you're entitled to your views and have no opinion on them, but you have just openly attacked people for doing exactly what you are doing. Quite the paradox and shows the absurdity of the argument.

[Adam P]

Not wanting a CB because of their religious views on homosexuality is first of all, gay as fuck, but secondly rather odd given the amount of Muslims who have played for us whose views on women and gays can be a bit fruity too. Imagine someone saying 'i dont want to sign Demba Ba as his Muslim views offend me'? You'd be strung up for hate speech. 

 

The fact that the lad's second name is gay-ee completes the overall level of stupidity on show here. 

 

 

 

[KaKa]

43 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

He’s not frightened - he hates them for them being themselves.

 

Do you have any proof of this?

 

You do realise hatred for anyone goes completely against what his religion teaches right?

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

So you're happy if people say that about you, because you are holding public views against a set of people you disagree with?

 

I personally think you're entitled to your views and have no opinion on them, but you have just openly attacked people for doing exactly what you are doing. Quite the paradox and shows the absurdity of the argument.

Your reasoning isn’t close to being as smart as you think it is.  ‘Ah, so you attack them, who is the bigot now?’.  It’s flawed reasoning. 

 

People can say whatever they want about my views - I couldn’t give a shite.  Ideas are challengeable - that can be done disrespectfully or respectfully.  I prefer the respectful approach, but not when it isn’t offered in the first place.  And the party offering the disrespect is the one who hides behind a 2,000 year old book to voice their prejudice.  

[Tonalis Bookie]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Your reasoning isn’t close to being as smart as you think it is.  ‘Ah, so you attack them, who is the bigot now?’.  It’s flawed reasoning. 

 

People can say whatever they want about my views - I couldn’t give a shite.  Ideas are challengeable - that can be done disrespectfully or respectfully.  I prefer the respectful approach, but not when it isn’t offered in the first place.  And the party offering the disrespect is the one who hides behind a 2,000 year old book to voice their prejudice.  

 

sadly I don't think you're intelligent enough to debate with so I will move on