Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Newcastle United (04/01/25)

[Holloway]

Terrible fitting suit on Ange there like, it was moving about on it's own 

[gdm]

Ange has totally lost the plot A 4-0 battering off Liverpool reserves midweek and him relieved of his duties would be a kindness at this point 

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

36 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But why would you want people penalised for something accidental? 

 

I guess the closest analogy would be crickets spirit of the game.  Just like if a fielder throws the ball back and it deflects off a bat they should not run extra runs, I don’t think a huge accidental deflection setting up a goal is in the spirit of the game.  I don’t thinks its a case of punishing someone for an accident its about tying to be fair.  I guess the argument against this is it’s as much of the defenders fault for kicking the ball where his arm is so why punish the person who had the ball kicked against him.    

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:17 by KetsbaiaIsBald

[Superior Acuña]

Seeing that supposed handball properly on MotD that’s what they’re raging about. Totally correct. Both intuitively and to the letter. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:18 by Superior Acuña

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

13 minutes ago, gdm said:

the way I look at it is Bergvall is on the stretch and kicks it off Joelinton’s hand. Joelinton and Newcastle cannot be penalised for something that they have no control over. Joelinton does nothing wrong to give away a free kick so the only thing that can happen is play on. That’s unfortunate for Spurs 

 

This makes sense.  

[gdm]

3 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

 

I guess the closest analogy would be crickets spirit of the game.  Just like if a fielder throws the ball back and it deflects off a bat they should not run extra runs, I don’t think a huge accidental deflection setting up a goal is in the spirit of the game.  I don’t thinks its a case of punishing someone for an accident its about tying to I guess be fair.  I guess the argument against this is it’s as much of the defenders fault for kicking the ball where his arm is so why punish the person who had the ball kicked against him.    

 

How far do you go back? One pass before the assist of a goal, 2 passes? 3? I think a handball with the assist or the goalscorer is fair enough but anything else is simply play on 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:20 by gdm

[Nobody]

Haven't read the last few pages, but even if  you think that goal should have been disallowed Ange, that's still just an equaliser in the 6th minute, hardly something that defined the game. Of course it's just speculation, but the way that first half goes, I'd say it's very likely we score at least one goal in the first half to go in level at half time, and seeing as we dominated from about 25 minutes up until half time while level, we would have probably won that game anyway.

[SteV]

48 minutes ago, Disco said:

Old dear in the home end loving it.

Obviously quite funny, but if the boot was on the other foot, we’d be absolutely raging.

 

Occupational hazard of being a London club though. There’s always gonna be fans of away clubs living in the ‘local’ area.

[Superior Acuña]

I can’t even really get in the head of someone who thinks that should be a penalised handball. It’d be a totally silly and unwelcome disruption to the game as far as I’m concerned.  He does not use his arm at all, don’t kick it off someone’s arm if you don’t want it affecting the ball. 
 

the handball rule should be about eliminating using hands and arms to gain special advantage, not about trying to play a silly game of making them lava 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:26 by Superior Acuña

[Nobody]

Also, fuck off blaming injuries if you've got £50m worth of James Maddison, arguably your best winger ever Son and your best available midfielder Bentancour sat on the bench for 60 minutes

[jack j]

39 minutes ago, huss9 said:

i'd never been before but what an impressive stadium.

no gridlock at the turnstiles.

hardly any queing for food an drink.

massive concourses.

and fuck me, their club shop was rammed with customers spending money.

Atmosphere sounded utter shit and the amount of signs I seen asking for our players shirts from the home end...bleuegh

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

3 minutes ago, gdm said:

How far do you go back? One pass before the assist of a goal, 2 passes? 3? I think a handball with the assist or the goalscorer is fair enough but anything else is simply play on 

 

 

 

 

I don’t know.  I think this is where it gets really difficult.  I’m starting to lean the other direction that equal fault lies with the person who kicks the ball where an arm is.  So maybe even a goal off the arm is ok.  So Bruno’s against Man Utd maybe should have stood.  

 

Maybe it is only ever given for accidental handball if it’s your team that kicks the ball into the arm 😏

 

[gdm]

2 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Also, fuck off blaming injuries if you've got £50m worth of James Maddison, arguably your best winger ever Son and your best available midfielder Bentancour sat on the bench for 60 minutes

Bentancur was suspended. They have injuries defensively but it hasn’t half been blown out of proportion 

[Wolfcastle]

Didn't follow it on here but the feeling expressed towards the end of the first-half was that we could put the game to bed before half-time. Not the sort of circumstance where at the end of the next half the opposition manager would feel robbed and proud as punch with his teams brilliant performance

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

39 minutes ago, huss9 said:

fouls dont have to be deliberate.

thought that should have been a pen.

gordon had cut inside him before he got battered.

 

For me this was not a penalty as they collided with each other.  I think they were both to blame for the collision it was just unfortunate for Gordon that his nose took on a shoulder.

[Holloway]

Just now, Wolfcastle said:

Didn't follow it on here but the feeling expressed towards the end of the first-half was that we could put the game to bed before half-time. Not the sort of circumstance where at the end of the next half the opposition manager would feel robbed and proud as punch with his teams brilliant performance

It was similar to the Man U game, failed to cash in on our dominance and that let them back into the contest somewhat 

[huss9]

1 minute ago, Holloway said:

It was similar to the Man U game, failed to cash in on our dominance and that let them back into the contest somewhat 

.....and still won away from home!!!!!

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

 

For me this was not a penalty as they collided with each other.  I think they were both to blame for the collision it was just unfortunate for Gordon that his nose took on a shoulder.

I'd be upset if given against us, put it that way, but could also see from a neutral perspective why it'd be given.

 

Similar to the Joelinton handball. Could see why it'd be given but actually, by the rules, I don't believe it should have been. One benefitted us, one benefitted Spurs.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:36 by Heron

[Holloway]

Just now, huss9 said:

.....and still won away from home!!!!!

Granted

[Superior Acuña]

40 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Atmosphere sounded dire - national commentators mentioned as much at half-time - though there's no real frame of reference with it being Spurs.

Was actually quite poor in the away end too. Early kick off? Also similar to Emirates there was an issue with fans either side of the corner singing different things (but not much singing in general).

 

I wasn’t interested in getting a 6 pound Heiniken in the ground (and helping their PSR..) so didn’t notice much about the ground really. However noticed

 

bad: the big impact of a thick band of corporate/hosp around 3/4 of the ground 

 

good: one big single tier behind one goal 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:41 by Superior Acuña

[On the Grid]

You could argue that every challenge that results in a foul is an accident, it's not like it's always a purposeful attempt to clatter the opponent. Just because it's a shoulder and not a leg doesn't mean it's not a foul. Penalty for me in the Kulu Gordon incident

 

 

Edited Saturday at 23:42 by On the Grid

[Holloway]

London fixtures are always a bit less manic in the away end 

[SteV]

4 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Was actually quite poor in the away end too. Early kick off? Also similar to Emirates there was an issue with fans either side of the corner singing different things (but not much singing in general).

 

I wasn’t interested in getting a 6 pound beer in the ground (and helping their PSR..) so didn’t notice much about the ground really. However noticed

 

bad: the big impact of a thick band of corporate/hosp around 3/4 of the ground 

 

good: one big single tier behind one goal 

Apparently they consulted ‘sound engineers’ to design the away end in such a way that it reduced the noise that comes out of it. Don’t really know what they’ve actually done like?

 

Whereas West Ham just howked a massive gap in the middle of their away end to get that effect…

[huss9]

2 minutes ago, Holloway said:

London fixtures are always a bit less manic in the away end 

yeah noticeably different clientelle today.

and we were too far spread.

how many points did the away tickets drop to?

there were quite a few very young bairns.

[Holloway]

Just now, huss9 said:

yeah noticeably different clientelle today.

and we were too far spread.

how many points did the away tickets drop to?

there were quite a few very young bairns.

No idea on the points, I get the odd spare. It always seems a bit low key the London games, I think there's less radgies