nufc123 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 22 minutes ago, The Butcher said: The last NUFC player to score at the Etihad in the league. Think I read it somewhere. Might be wrong. Its insane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 How today felt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 10 hours ago, leffe186 said: Hi Ok fair point, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Scoring 4 from 7 shots on target (worth about 2xg) is not normal. Pope back next game please x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) No offence intended like, but can I just point out that xG is a load of codswallop Edited February 16 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Wew little early to be dropping C-bombs mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: No offence intended like, but can I just point out that xG is a load of codswallop Wrong. What do you think it means? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) It’s for hipsters and stat nonces but xG is a decent metric to use tbf. If your xG is high but the results in games don’t reflect it, it suggests that you create but miss loads of chances and your striker is shit. Vice versa. If across a season you’re losing games on xG but you’re winning games you’re either quite lucky and/or are an incredibly defensive side with a clinical striker. I imagine under Stephen Roger we were losing on xG every week. Suggests that, as was proven, we were fucking shit. Edited February 16 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Wrong. What do you think it means? It means nowt For 100+ years people have watched a football game and said “we’re creating many / not many chances and we’re converting / not converting those chances into goals” But now the Lawrence Logic stat nonces have decided to call that basic observation xG and think it’s some revolutionary scientific revelation It’s just unnecessary bollocks and the sort of nerdy borefest that’s ruining football as an entertaining sport Edited February 16 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, bobbydazzla said: It means nowt It means something. If you have a high xg number you have created many chances. If its low you have created little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: It means nowt For 100+ years people have watched a football game and said “we’re creating many / not many chances and we’re converting / not converting those chances into goals” But now the Lawrence Logic stat nonces have decided to call that basic observation xG and think it’s some revolutionary scientific revelation It’s just unnecessary bollocks and the sort of nerdy borefest that’s ruining football as an entertaining sport It's a statistic that backs up what you saw with numbers. Does shots, shots on target or possession also piss you off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: It means something. If you have a high xg number you have created many chances. If its low you have created little. I know that man, I’m not daft It means nowt because it’s just some stat noncery thrown around by nerds I could create a stat that showed me how tight Bruno tied his boot laces before each game, it will produce a measurable metric but it’s dull as fuck and just stats for stats sake Here’s all the xG you need: Did we create chances ? Yes / no Did we turn those chances into goals ? Yes / no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: I know that man, I’m not daft It means nowt because it’s just some stat noncery thrown around by nerds I could create a stat that showed me how tight Bruno tied his boot laces before each game, it will produce a measurable metric but it’s dull as fuck and just stats for stats sake Here’s all the xG you need: Did we create chances ? Yes / no Did we turn those chances into goals ? Yes / no And there's no difference between the clearness of those chances or the amount ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: I know that man, I’m not daft Well you said it doesnt mean anything, it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, bowlingcrofty said: It's a statistic that backs up what you saw with numbers. Does shots, shots on target or possession also piss you off? Did we take a shot ? Yes / no Did the shot go on target ? Yes / no Have we had a lot of the ball ? Yes / no None of those is even in the same league as the xG gubbins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Did we take a shot ? Yes / no Did the shot go on target ? Yes / no Have we had a lot of the ball ? Yes / no None of those is even in the same league as the xG gubbins Was the shot an open goal from two yards or from 20yds through a crowded goal mouth ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 4 minutes ago, madras said: And there's no difference between the clearness of those chances or the amount ? What is “clearness of chances” ? It’s just more nonsense Being 20 yards out and lining up a thunderbastard is a clear chance for Schar, being in front of an open goal with the ball on his right peg is not a clear chance for Miggy Edited February 16 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: What is “clearness of chances” ? It’s just more nonsense Being 20 yards out and lining up a thunderbastard is a clear chance for Schar, being in front of an open goal with the ball on his right peg is not a clear chance for Miggy It's not and that's why Miggy scored more. But as you say, you've never came out from a match and said "fuck me we were lucky there, they had 4or 5 great chances and we squeaked a half chance" Edited February 16 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Go on @bobbydazzla. Sick of hearing about xG, prefer to judge games by watching them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, El Prontonise said: Go on @bobbydazzla. Sick of hearing about xG, prefer to judge games by watching them. What about games you don't watch. What I see always takes precedence but xG is a decent guide for games I don't see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, madras said: It's not and that's why Miggy scored more. But as you say, you've never came out from a match and said "fuck me we were lucky there, they had 4or 5 great chances and we squeaked a half chance" I’ve come out of a match and said that hundreds of times I’ve never, ever, ever come out of a match and said “our xG was blah blah blah” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 People who don’t understand xG properly. Getting so bent out of shape about it all will never not be funny Roy Keane and Souness types all over the gaff. It’s not the be all and end all and I think some context is required. But it is a good metric to use. Especially to try and back up any argument about team’s being lucky or unlucky in a game. Or whether a team is over-achieving and in a false position off a run of form. Things like that. There’s a reason why pro teams all use stats like this and advanced analytics. Whether it is boring or not is a different argument entirely……. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I’m going to create a new statistical system that tells me how many people who quote xG have ever been successful in tapping lasses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: People who don’t understand xG properly. Getting so bent out of shape about it all will never not be funny Roy Keane and Souness types all over the gaff. It’s not the be all and end all and I think some context is required. But it is a good metric to use. Especially to try and back up any argument about team’s being lucky or unlucky in a game. Or whether a team is over-achieving and in a false position off a run of form. Things like that. There’s a reason why pro teams all use stats like this and advanced analytics. Whether it is boring or not is a different argument entirely……. For clarity, I understand xG. I just think it’s stat noncery gone daft and there’s no need for Joe Public football fans to be spaffing on about it Edited February 16 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I think we've found the hardest poster on N-O here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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