joeyt Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: You're denying Nick pretty much every quality a striker needs. That's what I'm wondering. So which of those qualities does he have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 If he's on pens, he's past 15 goals and he's the next coming. He scored 9, now he's a lump who gets 10 minutes after a runner gets tired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, joeyt said: So which of those qualities does he have? You write that he can't win headers – but he has scored goals with his head in the penalty area. You write that he can't hold onto the ball – I remember scenes where he held onto the ball against three or four players. You write that he can only finish balls that are played to his feet – I remember a goal where he poked the ball into the net with a full-body stretch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Missed his pen against Bournemouth like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, Jack14Bojangles said: You write that he can't win headers – but he has scored goals with his head in the penalty area. You write that he can't hold onto the ball – I remember scenes where he held onto the ball against three or four players. You write that he can only finish balls that are played to his feet – I remember a goal where he poked the ball into the net with a full-body stretch. In general play he can't win headers against defenders. He's scored what 2 goals for us with his head? Probably the same as Bruno this season If you can show me scenes of him holding the ball up front in the Prem against 3 or 4 defenders I'd like to see it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, joeyt said: In general play he can't win headers against defenders. He's scored what 2 goals for us with his head? Probably the same as Bruno this season If you can show me scenes of him holding the ball up front in the Prem against 3 or 4 defenders I'd like to see it And how come he is our second-best scorer with 7 goals, after Bruno (9 goals)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Jack14Bojangles said: And how come he is our second-best scorer with 7 goals, after Bruno (9 goals)? I feel like that's a damning statement on the state of our attacking options, rather than a solid defence of Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 54 minutes ago, joeyt said: I think people have selective memories. He couldn't win a header playing up front If the ball is played perfectly to his feet he's good. If it's not then he's pretty useless at holding the ball up or providing any threat in behind Nick has as many goals off headers this season as Gordon has non-PK goals total. And that's just three I can think of. Wolves, Arsenal, Spurs. Agree he looks terrible trying to win 50/50 balls in the air from 60 yard kicks Pope/Ramsdale but he's probably never been asked to do that and he definitely needs a solid season in the weight room putting on some muscle to make that work better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 No striker looks good playing up front alone and chasing aimless punts from the back. The odd one can occasionally turn one into an attack but it's incredible low percentage. And those big strong players don't tend to be technically great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Page 278 and onwards provides a pretty good insight into the state of play prior to Howe trying something different with him. Feels like whenever he was at CF, we were calling him a midfielder; since he's been in midfield we've been calling him a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: No striker looks good playing up front alone and chasing aimless punts from the back. The odd one can occasionally turn one into an attack but it's incredible low percentage. And those big strong players don't tend to be technically great. Isak looked pretty good in our system like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 6 minutes ago, joeyt said: Isak looked pretty good in our system like Good idea. Perhaps we should arrange a loan with a counter-loan: Isak for Woltemade. Edited April 27 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Jack14Bojangles said: I'm wondering how stupid Eddie must have been to hire such an incompetent blind player for so much money. And Nagelsmann must be even dumber to call up such an incompetent player to the national team. Must admit, I'll be watching Germany's games with some interest in the WC. I know it's probably a bit easier for a forward than the EPL, but he will still need to get on the end of stuff to be considered a success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Must admit, I'll be watching Germany's games with some interest in the WC. I know it's probably a bit easier for a forward than the EPL, but he will still need to get on the end of stuff to be considered a success. They play Curacao in their first game, with Wirtz, Gnabry and Musiala playing close to him he should have the Golden Boot stitched up by full time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kilcline said: They play Curacao in their first game, with Wirtz, Gnabry and Musiala playing close to him he should have the Golden Boot stitched up by full time Gnabry is injured and would not playing the WC. Edited April 27 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 15 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Page 278 and onwards provides a pretty good insight into the state of play prior to Howe trying something different with him. Feels like whenever he was at CF, we were calling him a midfielder; since he's been in midfield we've been calling him a striker. Midfielder? The deepest position I can recall anyone suggesting he was is a 10, supporting striker/playmaker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: Gnabry is injured and would not playing the WC. I see, Germany will just have some bum like Sane, Havertz or Karl to slot in instead then, poor them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannybagoftudor Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 I think Nick needs some fire in his belly and a few extra pounds of beef on his bones. He has good feet but is just not strong enough to make it count, yet. I think given time he can come good, and I hope it is with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kilcline said: I see, Germany will just have some bum like Sane, Havertz or Karl to slot in instead then, poor them I don't think Nick will be in the starting eleven. If Havertz is fit, he'll play instead of Nick. I would put Karl in Gnabry's position. I don't think much of Sané. Edited April 27 by Jack14Bojangles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, Holloway said: 23 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Page 278 and onwards provides a pretty good insight into the state of play prior to Howe trying something different with him. Feels like whenever he was at CF, we were calling him a midfielder; since he's been in midfield we've been calling him a striker. Midfielder? The deepest position I can recall anyone suggesting he was is a 10, supporting striker/playmaker Fair enough; 'not a striker,' however you want to define it. You see what I'm getting at. There's no consensus on what he really is but his supposed mismanagement is continually a stick to beat the manager with. And maybe he could've made different choices but it gets way, way over-egged because the player himself just hasn't done enough despite featuring in nearly 50 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 30 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Page 278 and onwards provides a pretty good insight into the state of play prior to Howe trying something different with him. Feels like whenever he was at CF, we were calling him a midfielder; since he's been in midfield we've been calling him a striker. An NOism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: I don't think Nick will be in the starting eleven. If Havertz is fit, he'll play instead of Nick. I would put Karl in Gnabry's position. I don't think much of Sané. Wonder if I can cash out my bet on Woltemade winning the Golden Boot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack14Bojangles Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, Kilcline said: Wonder if I can cash out my bet on Woltemade winning the Golden Boot If Havertz isn't 100% fit for the World Cup, there's a good chance Nick will play against Curacao. And his odds for the Golden Shoe are certainly very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 13 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Fair enough; 'not a striker,' however you want to define it. You see what I'm getting at. There's no consensus on what he really is but his supposed mismanagement is continually a stick to beat the manager with. And maybe he could've made different choices but it gets way, way over-egged because the player himself just hasn't done enough despite featuring in nearly 50 games. Fair enough, we can get bogged down in terminology. He hasn't done enough is correct but he's not as fucking useless as some are making out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 5 minutes ago, Jack14Bojangles said: If Havertz isn't 100% fit for the World Cup, there's a good chance Nick will play against Curacao. And his odds for the Golden Shoe are certainly very good. Yeah, the bookies capped my stake at £6, bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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