Dr Spectrum Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sunderland have signed Carlos Edwards. He was good in the World Cup, suprised a premier league team didn't take a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Transfers: what I've decided. (Disclaimer: Opinion may change if/when I discover I'm wrong) We need a striker for this season more than we need a player for anywhere else. However, we need a striker more for the short term, as we will have 3 other strikers at the start of next season, so ideally someone who could slot in at third choice, ahead of Shola. I also believe we need a left back, but we could do with someone who is going to be first choice left back for a few years, so it makes sense to make similar amounts of money available for each position, since you can buy a decent striker for roughly the same as a first choice left back (in theory). We could do with re-inforcements elsewhere eventually, but I think these positions are the most important, so I would split whatever we have to spend this summer between the two positions. Nobby can do a job at right back for the rest of the season, and I believe that once the injuries start to clear up we will have more than enough cover, if not necessarily class, to cover midfield and centre back for the rest of the season. Players I would ask about: Striker - Robbie Keane, David Nugent, Collins John, Mark Viduka and Beattie at last resort. In that order. Left Back - Wayne Bridge, Leighton Baines, Nicky Shorey and possibly Bale, although I get the impression he could be a touch expensive. Obviously it all depends on which clubs would be willing to sell for a decent price, but we'll see. There are also almost certainly players I've forgotten. Largely agree, good thinking. Though i'd rather our defensive spending morphed that spent on the attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sunderland have signed Carlos Edwards. He was good in the World Cup, suprised a premier league team didn't take a look. A few of my mates are Luton season ticket holders and they werent sure how well he would do in the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Anyway, has any decent signings gone through (for any club) yet? I'm saying our first signing will be 21st Jan. No major transfers in England. Elsewhere, PSG have signed Gallardo from River Plate. really great player when he was at Monaco and during his first spell at River in particular, but injury prone these days though. If he stays 100% he'll be a top buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Transfers: what I've decided. (Disclaimer: Opinion may change if/when I discover I'm wrong) We need a striker for this season more than we need a player for anywhere else. However, we need a striker more for the short term, as we will have 3 other strikers at the start of next season, so ideally someone who could slot in at third choice, ahead of Shola. I also believe we need a left back, but we could do with someone who is going to be first choice left back for a few years, so it makes sense to make similar amounts of money available for each position, since you can buy a decent striker for roughly the same as a first choice left back (in theory). We could do with re-inforcements elsewhere eventually, but I think these positions are the most important, so I would split whatever we have to spend this summer between the two positions. Nobby can do a job at right back for the rest of the season, and I believe that once the injuries start to clear up we will have more than enough cover, if not necessarily class, to cover midfield and centre back for the rest of the season. Players I would ask about: Striker - Robbie Keane, David Nugent, Collins John, Mark Viduka and Beattie at last resort. In that order. Left Back - Wayne Bridge, Leighton Baines, Nicky Shorey and possibly Bale, although I get the impression he could be a touch expensive. Obviously it all depends on which clubs would be willing to sell for a decent price, but we'll see. There are also almost certainly players I've forgotten. Largely agree, good thinking. Though i'd rather our defensive spending morphed that spent on the attack. Incoherent post to match incoherent thinking bluebigrazz.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Largely agree, good thinking. Though i'd rather our defensive spending morphed that spent on the attack. Incoherent post to match incoherent thinking bluebigrazz.gif Morphed? :shock: :? Don't know wtf i'm on about tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Largely agree, good thinking. Though i'd rather our defensive spending morphed that spent on the attack. Incoherent post to match incoherent thinking bluebigrazz.gif Morphed? :shock: :? Don't know wtf i'm on about tbh. 'Dwarfed' or 'dwarfs' to make it future tense bluebigrazz.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Largely agree, good thinking. Though i'd rather our defensive spending morphed that spent on the attack. Incoherent post to match incoherent thinking bluebigrazz.gif Morphed? :shock: :? Don't know wtf i'm on about tbh. 'Dwarfed' or 'dwarfs' to make it future tense bluebigrazz.gif THAT'S THE ONE. :lol: Jesus Wept. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thompers Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 And if you can't see the connection between money spent and expectations then why don't you ring Abramovich up and ask him if he'll be happy with being 5th best over the next decade. In fact, ask him if he'd settle for being 2nd best. I'm sure he'd consider that failure. Aye mate, and who will be responsible for that failure should it happen? Abramovich for backing Mourinho or Mourinho for not getting it right? Or is it just one of those things where there are so few trophies and no matter what happens you always need a bit of luck? Mourinho has already won a trophy. If he had appointed Mourinho and he didn't win anything before f***ing up, it'd be Abramovich's fault. Boring as F***, tbh. I expected better from you, even though we don't agree I know you're not stupid. Is that your reply? Abramovich has appointed a manager that has won him trophies. This confirms that Roman has appointed a manager capable of winning him trophies therefore he has done his job correctly. If it goes pearshaped from there it's Abramovich's job to either keep faith with him or replace him with a manager to take the club forward. If Abramovich decided to keep faith and it didn't work out, then it would be his fault. If he decided enough was enough and appointed Souness and Chelsea won nothing and finished 14th, it'd surely be his own fault? On what evidence did he make that appointment? He probably assessed his football club and assessed Mourinho's personality and character and decided that the two were compatible. Competence! Are we going to compare this to appointing Dalgleish, the defensive style manager, to manage the most attacking team in English football? What do you know about the Liverpool team managed by Dalglish? Or are you basing everything on his time at Blackburn? I see him as a very experienced and successful manager of 2 football clubs, success achieved under entirely different circumstances that indicated AT THE TIME that he could be a very good choice for us. Apart from the liar, I don't know anybody who thought this was a crap appointment at the time. So your defence of Shepherd is that he once made an appointment that people thought would be good but wasn't? So you don't think a manager who had won premiership titles with 2 clubs, 2 FA Cups and 3 manager of the year awards is qualified enough :lol: Not the right man for the job, as he proved to be a FACT. Right? so what would your criteria be - apart from hindsight At that time it would have been not to appoint a manager with a preferred defensive style to manage the, at the time, most attacking team in english football. I've already said that. I know you find it outrageous that anybody feels that Dalglish wasn't the man for the job, but he proved he wasn't, therefore I can't understand that you seem to still think he was the ideal appointment. Also, if Dalglish was so awesome, why didn't he win anything for us like he was able to at the other clubs he managed? The manager had a proven track record, so there must have been something else holding us back. What was it? Of course, we didn't have a devine right to trophies because he was the manager, so don't throw that old line in, but if success isn't achieved there's a reason for it somewhere along the line, and as you're so adamant that Dalglish was the man, where does the blame like for our failures in that period? The idea was that, at the time, Keegans team needed "tactical astuteness" - not that I believe that sort of crap myself because I think teams should play to their strengths and that is "tactical astuteness" - but the ability to defend a lead etc etc was generally presumed to be the reason we didn't win the title and so a person who had done that and had the track record to back it up was the ideal replacement. We weren't to know that he was going to rip the team apart. Even then, if he had had time, who knows what would have happened. He also wasn't "my man", my man was Keegan. But the club had to move on. As you admit we don;t have a divine right to trophies, accept he came close. He was 90 minutes from winning the FA Cup. We have only done that 3 times since the 1950's. 90 minutes from being a legend. :winking: Would you turn down Wenger, Mourhino etc today, if so why and on what basis, would you not think their track record was relevant ? No I wouldn't turn down Wenger or Mourinho. Then again I'm not a premiership level chairman but if I was, I'd expect myself to be educated enough not to just chase any manager with the best trophy record. Why do you think Man Utd wanted O Neill when it looked like Fergie was going to retire? There are certainly bigger names that have won more trophies around. They could have even chased old Kenny D themselves, he certainly has a better 'track record'. I'll tell you why they wanted O Neill. Because if you're a capable premiership level chairman you're expected to make appointments based on character and attempt to judge their compatibility with a club. It's like on the pitch, look at Real Madrid in recent years. You can have the best footballers in the world, but if you stick them on the pitch it means nothing unless they gel. The same applies when appointing a manager to a football club. A good manager builds a team that gels on the pitch. A good chairman appoints a manager that gels with the club and the club's character. Are you learning yet? so you think that a manager who had won all the honours he won at a big city club like Liverpool, with fanatical fans just like us, didn't have the right character to repeat that success at Newcastle ? What about Benitez, does a dour character like him have the "right character" or do you think he's an extrovert like Shankly was ? Dalglish was a players manager in the dressing room and on the training ground, just like Keegan was, he had coped with pressure and the demands of a club always in the spotlight. You are simply applying hindsight. With hindsight he could have actually been given more time ........ and if he had won one single huge game he would have had more time. Why are you asking me questions about Dalglish's credentials for the job? I'm not running a premiership football team and I'm not pretending that I'm any more capable than Shepherd is? It's ok for me and you to discuss Dalglish and his record but can you sympathise with Shepherd for getting it wrong just because you or me thought it was a good appointment? He's a premiership level chairman, he should be more qualified than you or I at appointing managers, but the way you break it down is like "well if me and you thought it was a good appointment then how can we critisise Shepherd". Because Shepherd is paid millions to make these decisions so should therefore be better than yourself and I when it comes to identifying appropriate managers. Is it sinking in yet? why should he know better than me just because he had the money to buy himself a position on the board of the football club ? To date, the board have made on bad appointment that I can't figure out why they did it. Take note, THE BOARD. is it sinking in yet ? And, as we have been 5th best in our field over the course of a decade, I don't think its too bad. Is it sinking in yet ? Because if he didn't know better than you then surely he'd have the sense to hire a director of football, in order to protect his investment better? He's made several poor appointments, not one, because as I explained earlier none of the appointments paid off with a trophy. We should expect to have won a trophy, as expectations are set by the amount of money spent. We established this by pointing out that Man Utd/Chelsea both consider 2nd place failure. Therefore, as the next highest spending club, 5th should be considered failure. Right? But wait, we haven't been 5th since Bobby left. So we're currently even lower than our under achieving average. Appointing a manager with a good history with a good record doesn't make it a good appointment. A good appointment is only a good appointment when it pays off. Has any of the appointments Shepherd has made paid off, when you consider the high expectations (which relate to the money spent)? 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Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 NE5, who do you think we should go for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johan Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I really think that we should be mostly looking at a left-back. Though we also need CB´s, a right-back and a striker that can and would probably be better to sign in the summer. LB and striker on loan would be a good transfer window for me. Of course if someone became avalible thats another case but we should try to push trough deals now, better to sign them cheaper in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 NE5, who do you think we should go for? An out and out striker, a player to be an outlet and play alongside Martins. If we get a good player for this position, I;ll be fairly happy because normally not many transfers are made in January. And providing some injuries clear up we would get into the top half of the league and stand a chance of winning one of those cups. Who ? It depends how much money they are prepared to risk, and who is available. But this is the major positional priority for me. Jason Roberts would have been a decent player for a fair fee but he is injured. I would laugh if we got Yakubu off the smoggies instead of Viduka but it depends what they want for him. James Beattie was canny a few years ago but he seems to have gone backwards, could he be the same player again ? Thats up to Roeder to judge his attitude. We could get Alan Smith on loan but I would have doubts about him because he is coming back from an injury and we need someone to step straight in from day 1. He could get someone from a lower league. To be honest I haven't really thought about it too much I just tend to look at a player when we are linked with them and think would I want him or not, or maybe its because nobody really springs to mind in the price bracket we will be operating in ? Who do you think ? I would like Drogba, he is what Les Ferdinand was like - apart from the diving - but we can't afford him because Chelsea have destroyed the transfer market. For those who want defenders first, Distin is out of contract so a small fee to bring him back would be canny, as he can play central defence or left back, but it depends on his attitude. Roeder is going to have to talk to him and asses this, you should do this with every transfer anyway. If Emre is going to leave the club they should also be looking ahead for a replacement, but the short term number 1 priority is a forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 [ I would like Drogba, he is what Les Ferdinand was like - apart from the diving - but we can't afford him because Chelsea have destroyed the transfer market. Aye, that's the only reason he wouldn't pull on a black and white shirt like Jesus fucking wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johan Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Well, Freddy said that they all want to come here and you know how much NE5 trusts him so:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 [ I would like Drogba, he is what Les Ferdinand was like - apart from the diving - but we can't afford him because Chelsea have destroyed the transfer market. Aye, that's the only reason he wouldn't pull on a black and white shirt like Jesus fucking wept. why wouldn't he ? Plenty of other big players have done. Don't you believe in the team you support ? You should support the mackems if you are such a defeatist. Make me laugh people like you, you say the team should be winning all these trophies, then say the players who would win them wouldn't want to join us :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 [ I would like Drogba, he is what Les Ferdinand was like - apart from the diving - but we can't afford him because Chelsea have destroyed the transfer market. Aye, that's the only reason he wouldn't pull on a black and white shirt like Jesus fucking wept. why wouldn't he ? Plenty of other big players have done. Don't you believe in the team you support ? You should support the mackems if you are such a defeatist. Make me laugh people like you, you say the team should be winning all these trophies, then say the players who would win them wouldn't want to join us :lol: Because he is one of the most in form strikers in the world at the moment playing for one of the best teams. Regardless of what Chelsea have done to the transfer market he would cost a stupid amount of money and would have no reason to come here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 [ I would like Drogba, he is what Les Ferdinand was like - apart from the diving - but we can't afford him because Chelsea have destroyed the transfer market. Aye, that's the only reason he wouldn't pull on a black and white shirt like Jesus fucking wept. why wouldn't he ? Plenty of other big players have done. Don't you believe in the team you support ? You should support the mackems if you are such a defeatist. Make me laugh people like you, you say the team should be winning all these trophies, then say the players who would win them wouldn't want to join us :lol: Because he is one of the most in form strikers in the world at the moment playing for one of the best teams. Regardless of what Chelsea have done to the transfer market he would cost a stupid amount of money and would have no reason to come here. eeeeeeerrrrrrrr............my point is I know he wouldn't leave Chelsea but the idea is if Newcastle were challenging them, in a hypothetical sense, which was a speculative question. For instance, when Keegan was here, or when Shearer came, after all if Owen signed why wouldn't someone else ? I hope when people start threads like "who would you like to sign if you could sign anybody" you make similar comments to here ..... who would YOU like to sign. Don't tell me, Wayne bloody Bridge :lol: :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Drogba: ''Agent, Jose is really starting to f##k me off. I am Chelseas best player and Bollocks gettin payed more than me, find me another club'' Agent: ''Milan, Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd and Arsenal are all interested in you'' Drogba: ''What about the toon army'' Agent: ''With Ameobi as the main target man you may struggle for a game'' Drogba: ''But i really like the strip, it remonds me of home, the zebras grazing on the open plains'' Agent: ''Sorry Dids baby, looks like you will have to make do with Barca'' Drogba :PMT: NE5 mental.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I would like Drogba, he is what Les Ferdinand was like - apart from the diving - but we can't afford him because Chelsea have destroyed the transfer market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I never had you down for being an optimist NE5! bluebiggrin.gif Drogba is just the sort of striker we need, he's out of our league though as far as signings go. Any suggestions for a Drogba-ish alternative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I never had you down for being an optimist NE5! bluebiggrin.gif Drogba is just the sort of striker we need, he's out of our league though as far as signings go. Any suggestions for a Drogba-ish alternative? How about Jacques Cousteau? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Drogba: ''Agent, Jose is really starting to f##k me off. I am Chelseas best player and Bollocks gettin payed more than me, find me another club'' Agent: ''Milan, Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd and Arsenal are all interested in you'' Drogba: ''What about the toon army'' Agent: ''With Ameobi as the main target man you may struggle for a game'' Drogba: ''But i really like the strip, it remonds me of home, the zebras grazing on the open plains'' Agent: ''Sorry Dids baby, looks like you will have to make do with Barca'' Drogba :PMT: NE5 mental.gif Superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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