Northern Monkey Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Thing is, thats Ameobi's level as well. Then by your own admission, isn't he overachieving here in the big wide world of the Premiership, given that he has made a career in the league for himself, even, at times, scoring goals and playing well. Not bad for a Championship player. See, there is hope for Chopra yet. Not by my admission, no. I question the playing well thing, and his EPL goal tally is not, from memory, much to look at. There is massive hope for both Ameobi and Chopra. Just not at a consistent PL club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DarkSchneider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 GP 30 | G 17 | A 11 He isn't only a goalscorer. It seems that he's good even at setting up goals. This means he has done something in allmost every game he played, which is terrific stat. But he felt he needed more games and left. Here he would still be back up. At least it seemed so. I think he can will be very good in the Premiership one day. I remember Shearer saying that Chopra has every attribute to be top striker and it seems he was right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 A lot of players who haven't played many competitive games at Chopra's age, players with a small frame, often take time to get up to speed with the man's game, at any level, Paul Dickov is a prime example, as is Ian Wright who was massively talented and had to work very hard on his game. It is foolish to write off a player's chances of making it at a certain level when that player hasn't had the opportunity to prove himself otherwise. Those writing him off would have hardly seen him play, and I don't care what anyone says about their own so-called judgement, even if its good, no-one can ever be 100% certain. For what it's worth I think he can do a job in the Premiership, he won't be as prolific but he will be able to hold his own because this league isn't all that it's cracked up to be, it won't be like he'll face a John Terry or a Liverpool rearguard every game. There are more Bramble's and Toon like defences in the league than the Terrys and Liverpool back-fours. Good luck to the lad, they love him at Cardiff and so did the Barnsley fans when he was on loan with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 You'd think a player would have to be some kind of world beater just to stand a chance in the Premiership, jesus it ain't that good a league, in fact it is home to many average or mediocre players. If Paul Dickov et al can forge himself a decent career in the Premiership so can the likes of Chopra and Co. If the prem was that easy how comes Rasiak looked so poor despite looking very good in the championship? There are many other examples of this.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 You'd think a player would have to be some kind of world beater just to stand a chance in the Premiership, jesus it ain't that good a league, in fact it is home to many average or mediocre players. If Paul Dickov et al can forge himself a decent career in the Premiership so can the likes of Chopra and Co. If the prem was that easy how comes Rasiak looked so poor despite looking very good in the championship? There are many other examples of this.... How many games did he play? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 You'd think a player would have to be some kind of world beater just to stand a chance in the Premiership, jesus it ain't that good a league, in fact it is home to many average or mediocre players. If Paul Dickov et al can forge himself a decent career in the Premiership so can the likes of Chopra and Co. If the prem was that easy how comes Rasiak looked so poor despite looking very good in the championship? There are many other examples of this.... How many games did he play? A massive 4 then, according to Soccernet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 So i assume we should look at that ugy fella who looks like Ronaldinho's equally unfortunate brother, the welsh lad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Earnshaw bangs them away but isnt good enough, many players have scored a lot of goals i that league. When Chopra left not that many people were bothered but now he has scored a few in an inferior league people are harping on about him, as predicted. Would love the lad to go on and have a great career at the top level but some people are going a little OTT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Earnshaw is a poor footballer, but a good goalscorer and scored goals when he played in the Premiership and even at international level, he's someone who can play at this level and would do well for a Blackburn, a Wigan or a Sheff Utd, teams like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Earnshaw bangs them away but isnt good enough, many players have scored a lot of goals i that league. When Chopra left not that many people were bothered but now he has scored a few in an inferior league people are harping on about him, as predicted. Would love the lad to go on and have a great career at the top level but some people are going a little OTT. Well I wasn't one of those who never said nowt when he left, I actually kicked off a bit when not long after, in comes Man Utd's Chopra - Rossi. It just pains me seeing players leave without first having had a chance, if they are simply not good enough no doubts about it 100% all the way then fair enough, but Chopra can finish and players like that have some usefullness. His faults have always been his all-round game or rather his strength and picking up the pace and those things can always be worked on in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Agree with Gejon for the main part. Look at the top scorers in the Championship: Rasiak, Earnshaw, Chops, Kamara. All played in the prem, none of them did anything. That's not to say you can't find a striker from a lower division who'll do a job in the prem, but banging in a couple of goals in the Championship does not a good player make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Colin McMenamin has 21 goals in the Scottish First Division. Why the f*ck did we release him??!!11 Better to persevere with overpaid sick note wavers - at least Souness Shepherd and Roeder think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Let's re-sign Chopra and never play him, what a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I don't understand why people write Chopra off so easily. Very true that he is only shining in the Championship. But as Toon Taylor rightly points out, it is his quality of play that makes him standout. Cardiff City is very dependent on him. And he is not only scoring, he is assisting a lot. He gots the all round ability, although obviously not as refined as other premiership strikers. Compare Chorpa to Earnshaw. The latter is quite one dimensional in my opinion, and this is not good enough for premiership, unless the player is extremely good at one thing he specialises in, eg Van Nistelrooy, Cole. Chopra, on the contrary, is quite all rounded yet not merely jack in every trade. He is not in Saha's class but surely he is not far from than Doyle? Seems like many people form an opinion on a player based on the league he is playing in. So much about the complains about others fans forming an opinion actually watching him on telly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TampaToon Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 In the Premiership, I don't think a striker needs to be good at everything, but there needs to be something in his game that will trouble top defenders. I've never seen that in Chopra. agreed, he always looked to get physically dominated by any premiership defense worthy of the name, his goal vs sunderland makes for a nice memory, but it had more to do with fortunate timing and sunderland's ineptitude than with any bit of skill on his part... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Let's re-sign Chopra and never play him, what a good idea. Who said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 In the Premiership, I don't think a striker needs to be good at everything, but there needs to be something in his game that will trouble top defenders. I've never seen that in Chopra. agreed, he always looked to get physically dominated by any premiership defense worthy of the name, his goal vs sunderland makes for a nice memory, but it had more to do with fortunate timing and sunderland's ineptitude than with any bit of skill on his part... Yup. Not like Sun'luns defence was watertight, was it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nufc_geordie Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Chopra was never ever given the chance at Newcastle. He always looked lively and active but he always needed a good long run of games in order to succeed which he didn't get. It's a shame he left the day or a couple of days before Owen got injured as otherwise I think he might have stayed. I have no doubts that if Chopra had been given the number of games that Shola was then he would have scored more goals. I'm not saying he is a top[ half table team premiership striker. Shola isn't and never will be either. I think he will do a very good job at a Fulham/ Man City etc. Mid to bottom half of the table team scoring 15 goals a season in the top flight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Ultimately, Chopra was not good enough for the Premiership. Anyone who saw him play (and lets not start the pathetic Luque-esque "he needs 400 games in a row" bollocks) saw that he was a very very mediocre player, who never showed any particular signs of being good enough. The (undeniable) fact that Shola is also not good enough is a distraction, and adds nothing to the debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Ultimately, Chopra was not good enough for the Premiership. Anyone who saw him play (and lets not start the pathetic Luque-esque "he needs 400 games in a row" bollocks) saw that he was a very very mediocre player, who never showed any particular signs of being good enough. The (undeniable) fact that Shola is also not good enough is a distraction, and adds nothing to the debate. All true. I have to disagree with part of the above comment. Although he did work hard, he was hardly very "active" unless by active you mean ran around a lot not doing too much then I take it back and agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Ultimately, Chopra was not good enough for the Premiership. Anyone who saw him play (and lets not start the pathetic Luque-esque "he needs 400 games in a row" bollocks) saw that he was a very very mediocre player, who never showed any particular signs of being good enough. The (undeniable) fact that Shola is also not good enough is a distraction, and adds nothing to the debate. All true. I have to disagree with part of the above comment. Although he did work hard, he was hardly very "active" unless by active you mean ran around a lot not doing too much then I take it back and agree. They mean "active" in the same way as Dyer "terrorises defences" by running really fast at them and givign the ball away, and Bramble is a "quality" defender by dint of being capable of standing around looking big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 If we didnt have Martins, Owen and potentially Dyer in the small striker role i'd happily take Bob Earnshaw. Off Wikipedia: His Premier League hat-trick against Charlton Athletic on March 19 2005 made him the first player to have scored a hat-trick at all levels of English professional football, the FA and League Cups and at full international level; his international hat-trick having been scored against Scotland in Wales 4-0 victory in February 2004. - can't cut it? this suggests otherwise. He is second only to Thierry Henry in terms of goals-per-minute in Premiership history. - who would have thought that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 To be honest I have said Earnshaw would be good back up for Owen for a while, he isn't a great footballer but he is a pretty great finisher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 don't rate Earnshaw, would rather have Chopra tbh, better aqll round player and finisher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Back in the summer for £5m for our 4th striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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