Paully Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 28 minutes ago, Tross said: Heard they're only allowing Newcastle Thunder fans in the Stack for that weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 hour ago, Stifler said: That would seem daft. Newcastle Thunder only get something like 200 fans, and aren’t in the Super League. Seems pointless to limit the Stack to less than 10% of it’s capacity, especially when Super League clubs fans often mingle with each other before, during, and after games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 hour ago, pinkeye said: This is probably the main reason that new season tickets have not been offered for the last couple of years. Knowing that there would be a need to temporarily relocate sections of the ground should a redevelopment take place. I think we're simply following what other clubs are doing tbh. When you are getting guaranteed sell out crowds you can generate far more money by selling tickets game by game through memberships than season tickets. For example Anfield holds 61k but they only allow 25k ST holders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Let me guess. It is coming back to SJP because it is 'bang in the city center?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamjk007 Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 Someone senior at work knows the chosen planning consultant for the stadium expansion, They said this was moving quite quick now so maybe the decision has been made by the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 3 minutes ago, adamjk007 said: Someone senior at work knows the chosen planning consultant for the stadium expansion, They said this was moving quite quick now so maybe the decision has been made by the club? I think if a decision had been definitely made it would have been leaked, if not announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 So its build not renew ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 On 08/11/2024 at 11:44, Wallsendmag said: I think we're simply following what other clubs are doing tbh. When you are getting guaranteed sell out crowds you can generate far more money by selling tickets game by game through memberships than season tickets. For example Anfield holds 61k but they only allow 25k ST holders. Exactly. Clubs don't want to have demand that far exceeds supply, but they also really don't really want supply meeting the demand. They want to be able to charge as much as possible and by doing that you need to retain relative scarcity. Shit for fans, but I think people expecting them to deliver a mega stadium with capacity for all at comfortable ease are missing the economics of how every club is operating. It's why so many clubs are striking on that 60-65k sweet spot rather than going bigger. I think if they can achieve that on the current site that's what they'll do. But it'll basically be a new stadium rather than an expansion as such, done in stages. Gallowgate/East Stand new build, followed eventually by the rest being re-done to match up. Still think that or a new build on Castle Leazes are the only actual options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 On 08/11/2024 at 11:44, Wallsendmag said: I think we're simply following what other clubs are doing tbh. When you are getting guaranteed sell out crowds you can generate far more money by selling tickets game by game through memberships than season tickets. For example Anfield holds 61k but they only allow 25k ST holders. Agree with the overall point being made but very surprised that Liverpool have only 25K ST holders. Where’s that from? 9 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Exactly. Clubs don't want to have demand that far exceeds supply, but they also really don't really want supply meeting the demand. They want to be able to charge as much as possible and by doing that you need to retain relative scarcity. Shit for fans, but I think people expecting them to deliver a mega stadium with capacity for all at comfortable ease are missing the economics of how every club is operating. It's why so many clubs are striking on that 60-65k sweet spot rather than going bigger. I think if they can achieve that on the current site that's what they'll do. But it'll basically be a new stadium rather than an expansion as such, done in stages. Gallowgate/East Stand new build, followed eventually by the rest being re-done to match up. Still think that or a new build on Castle Leazes are the only actual options. Cant see us building anything worthwhile 60-65K. I understand your point but that’s mainly in areas (London) that can afford inflated prices. You’d need more seats at lower prices model up here to match revenues elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 I'm honestly not sure I agree, the model is universal, even in areas with similar economic situation to the north east (IE Liverpool/Everton). It's depreciating returns once you get past a certain capacity size. They'll be more minded from a revenue point of view to increase corporate opportunities or to build a stadium that can host other events all year round. The latter would be the one thing that I think would push them towards another site given the construction constraints on the existing one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, ponsaelius said: I'm honestly not sure I agree, the model is universal, even in areas with similar economic situation to the north east (IE Liverpool/Everton). It's depreciating returns once you get past a certain capacity size. They'll be more minded from a revenue point of view to increase corporate opportunities or to build a stadium that can host other events all year round. The latter would be the one thing that I think would push them towards another site given the construction constraints on the existing one. That takes into account the cost of building a larger stadium, in theory that is not an issue for us. Depending on how PIF actually see us we might only be looking to maximise revenue with the cost not really being a factor. I understand that there'd also be an element of scarcity driving demand, with a point where the balance tips and more availability could actually result in less demand. But I think that could probably be overcome to a large extent with big variations in pricing. Edited November 12 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 59 minutes ago, LFEE said: Agree with the overall point being made but very surprised that Liverpool have only 25K ST holders. Where’s that from? Cant see us building anything worthwhile 60-65K. I understand your point but that’s mainly in areas (London) that can afford inflated prices. You’d need more seats at lower prices model up here to match revenues elsewhere. Google search says they have currently have 27,000 season ticket holders. They made an extra 1,000 available as they gradually extended from 45k up to 55k with the new tier on the main stand, to the 61k they have now with the Anfield Road expansion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 1 hour ago, ponsaelius said: I'm honestly not sure I agree, the model is universal, even in areas with similar economic situation to the north east (IE Liverpool/Everton). It's depreciating returns once you get past a certain capacity size. They'll be more minded from a revenue point of view to increase corporate opportunities or to build a stadium that can host other events all year round. The latter would be the one thing that I think would push them towards another site given the construction constraints on the existing one. I don’t think it is though. Barca and Real Madrid have rebuilt their stadiums recently, and their capacity is greater than what they initially had, and they weren’t regularly selling out, outside of El Classico. Arsenal don’t visually sell out the Emirates either, and in recent weeks they have announced that they are looking into expanding. Even the Milan clubs are circling back to having a new super capacity San Siro, over building their own smaller stadiums. To cut the story short, Taylor Swift (and others) sell out stadiums. The clubs want that income. I recently read an article on it, and they were literally calling some of the new stadiums being built as Swiftdomes. Don’t get me wrong, I think we would struggle to sell out 90k-100k, but at 80k I’d expect us to either sell out, or come fairly close to doing so (so long as the club continues to show some ambition). I also think that if we do get say an 80k capacity stadium, we’ll only see a max of 10k additional season tickets available. All in all, I think they have already made their decision, they likely settled on it after the initial feasibility study, and likely had it as a plan going into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 2 hours ago, SteV said: I think if a decision had been definitely made it would have been leaked, if not announced. Well in recent articles we have heard that people involved with it, both at the club, and with 3rd parties, have all had to sign NDA’s. I think even council workers have had to sign them. We have also seen many journalists who cover the club change their attitude from wanting a SJP extension/rebuild, to a new stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tross Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: I don’t think it is though. Barca and Real Madrid have rebuilt their stadiums recently, and their capacity is greater than what they initially had, and they weren’t regularly selling out, outside of El Classico. Arsenal don’t visually sell out the Emirates either, and in recent weeks they have announced that they are looking into expanding. Even the Milan clubs are circling back to having a new super capacity San Siro, over building their own smaller stadiums. To cut the story short, Taylor Swift (and others) sell out stadiums. The clubs want that income. I recently read an article on it, and they were literally calling some of the new stadiums being built as Swiftdomes. Don’t get me wrong, I think we would struggle to sell out 90k-100k, but at 80k I’d expect us to either sell out, or come fairly close to doing so (so long as the club continues to show some ambition). I also think that if we do get say an 80k capacity stadium, we’ll only see a max of 10k additional season tickets available. All in all, I think they have already made their decision, they likely settled on it after the initial feasibility study, and likely had it as a plan going into it. I don't think we'd get anywhere near 80K tbh. 60-65K would be the right amount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 Just now, Tross said: I don't think we'd get anywhere near 80K tbh. 60-65K would be the right amount. Would it? We had a queue of over 40k for the members resale of our Liverpool match yesterday. We have a membership number of approximately 100k. We have as many members applying for tickets each match, as we have season ticket holders, if not more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tross Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: Would it? We had a queue of over 40k for the members resale of our Liverpool match yesterday. We have a membership number of approximately 100k. We have as many members applying for tickets each match, as we have season ticket holders, if not more. We all know why the queue was so big for that game so let's not get into that. There were still tickets for the West Ham game a week after the resale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 29 minutes ago, Tross said: We all know why the queue was so big for that game so let's not get into that. There were still tickets for the West Ham game a week after the resale. Were there? Outside of 1 youth ticket in 2 blocks in L7? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tross Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 6 minutes ago, Sima said: Were there? Outside of 1 youth ticket in 2 blocks in L7? Aye, loads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 If true, I'm just more annoyed I didn't know after I missed the resale window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 Oooh you transplendent little bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 Aye, always says there is plenty of ticket available, but they are almost always in the family area, and tied to taking a kid with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 1 hour ago, Tross said: Aye, loads. So there are single adult tickets for sale for West Ham currently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 Just now, LFEE said: So there are single adult tickets for sale for West Ham currently? No. I even checked, they are all for the family section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, adamjk007 said: Someone senior at work knows the chosen planning consultant for the stadium expansion, They said this was moving quite quick now so maybe the decision has been made by the club? i was on a tour the other day and one of the folks taking us round mentioned January when we might start to hear things prices on boxes and stuff was an eye opener 40k for an 8 seater box, 88k for a 12 seater, a good few of the players seem to have them as well Callum Wilson has one directly on the halfway line, i looked through the window but couldnt see a treatment table in there :-) also mentioned the ST's for the likes of Joe Harvey and Bobby Robson suite are like gold dust edit: also confirmed the 300 business/10 year waiting list.... Edited November 12 by Cookie1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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