St James' Park

[Kanj]

In my mind's eye, @manorpark took a photo off his phone of some random VHS he has of some random TV show; all part of his war chest archive. 

[Interpolic]

@midds @AyeDubbleYoo @Disco

 

There was actually a reddit thread today about the very subject we were discussing yesterday:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/football/s/UH5VjkLW26

 

From a City AM article, thought this bit was interesting as it coincidentally mentions £10 as a price point. Hopefully there is scope for sensible pricing when this inevitably comes around. 

 

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A 2020 academic paper on the idea posited that if the 200m or so people who currently subscribe to pay TV channels to watch the Premier League paid £10 a month for a dedicated streaming service, annual media rights income could balloon from £3.5bn to £24bn.

 

[Karjala]

Don't see the Saudi's spunking billions on a new stadium when they aren't allowed to spend any money on players.

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:32 by Karjala

[Sima]

Just now, Interpolic said:

@midds @AyeDubbleYoo @Disco

 

There was actually a reddit thread today about the very subject we were discussing yesterday:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/football/s/UH5VjkLW26

 

From a City AM article, thought this bit was interesting as it coincidentally mentions £10 as a price point. Hopefully there is scope for sensible pricing when this inevitably comes around. 

 

 

It’s like the music streaming services.

 

Price it too high and illegal streams will continue to be rife.

 

Price it at a strong price point (£12 for HD with ads/£17 for 4K premium with no ads) and people will  lap it up.

 

Music piracy has more or less disappeared because £10 a month is an acceptable price to pay for all music at your fingertips.

[midds]

1 minute ago, Interpolic said:

@midds @AyeDubbleYoo @Disco

 

There was actually a reddit thread today about the very subject we were discussing yesterday:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/football/s/UH5VjkLW26

 

From a City AM article, thought this bit was interesting as it coincidentally mentions £10 as a price point. Hopefully there is scope for sensible pricing when this inevitably comes around. 

 

 

Doesn't surprise me at all tbh. Once the likes of Netflix go direct debit then people don't even feel it, it's just always there and it's not significantly expensive enough to cancel once they're invested. Most would look at it as a saving and bin Sky and TNT, they're the ones that should be looking over their shoulders really. If it happens then they're bang in trouble and the price-gouging will stop immediately. Good news all round

[Sima]

Sky can’t survive without football.  They profiteered for fucking ages before the advent of IPTV.

 

Fuck them.

 

 

Edited Monday at 22:35 by Sima

[Interpolic]

2 minutes ago, Sima said:

Sky can’t survive without football.  They profiteered for fucking ages before the advent of IPTV.

 

Fuck them.

 

 

 

 

 I work for them (atm ) but can't see anything except their TV business shrinking beyond all regognition. They'll pull out all the stops to not lose PL coverage but I think it's coming eventually. They're losing HBO content on the entertainment side at some point soon as well, I think. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

16 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

@midds @AyeDubbleYoo @Disco

 

There was actually a reddit thread today about the very subject we were discussing yesterday:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/football/s/UH5VjkLW26

 

From a City AM article, thought this bit was interesting as it coincidentally mentions £10 as a price point. Hopefully there is scope for sensible pricing when this inevitably comes around. 

 

 

Knew there was a reason why American sports can sell their streaming so cheap. 
 

They have conventional TV broadcasters as well FWIW, local and some games national. Must still be a market outside of the streaming (at the moment). 

[jack j]

Makes me laugh when people talk about a new ground being soulless. I bet it can't be any more soulless than that place tonight.

[LFEE]

29 minutes ago, Sima said:

It’s like the music streaming services.

 

Price it too high and illegal streams will continue to be rife.

 

Price it at a strong price point (£12 for HD with ads/£17 for 4K premium with no ads) and people will  lap it up.

 

Music piracy has more or less disappeared because £10 a month is an acceptable price to pay for all music at your fingertips.

Music piracy has more or less disappeared but like I said yesterday so has the money for recording bands.

[Jonas]

21 minutes ago, jack j said:

Makes me laugh when people talk about a new ground being soulless. I bet it can't be any more soulless than that place tonight.

Atmosphere would at best stay the same. Everything else would be gone though.

[timeEd32]

29 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Knew there was a reason why American sports can sell their streaming so cheap. 
 

They have conventional TV broadcasters as well FWIW, local and some games national. Must still be a market outside of the streaming (at the moment). 

 

What are you referring to here?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

What are you referring to here?

 

Things like 160 live and on demand MLB games for around £100 a season. 

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Things like 160 live and on demand MLB games for around £100 a season. 

 

Oh, baseball is different though because it's heavily regional. MLB has national deals worth almost $2b per season from the likes of ESPN, Apple, etc., but every team has their own local TV arrangement. And then mlb.tv is meant for the out-of-area fan. It would be like if there was PL TV, but if you live in Newcastle you have to subscribe to Sky Newcastle to see Newcastle's games. PL TV would give you the rest.

 

And I guess the international market can't handle a higher price point.

 

 

[Wallsendmag]

37 minutes ago, jack j said:

Makes me laugh when people talk about a new ground being soulless. I bet it can't be any more soulless than that place tonight.

 

Was vert good in the Gallowgate 1st Half. 2nd half died a death understandably given how shit we were.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

 

Oh, baseball is different though because it's heavily regional. MLB has national deals worth almost $2b per season from the likes of ESPN, Apple, etc., but every team has their own local TV arrangement. And then mlb.tv is meant for the out-of-area fan. It would be like if there was PL TV, but if you live in Newcastle you have to subscribe to Sky Newcastle to see Newcastle's games. PL TV would give you the rest.

 

And I guess the international market can't handle a higher price point.

 

 

 

Do you not get similar passes in NBA and NFL?

[timeEd32]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Do you not get similar passes in NBA and NFL?

You can, but all the sports are modeled a bit differently. 
 

With the NFL you could get most of your local team for free with an antenna or cheap with a basic cable subscription. But those networks are paying the NFL a couple billion each per season. Or you can pay about $120/mo for four months for Sunday Ticket, which gives you every Sunday game.
 

Monday / Thursday night football require ESPN and Amazon.

[manorpark]

5 hours ago, Kanj said:

In my mind's eye, @manorpark took a photo off his phone of some random VHS he has of some random TV show; all part of his war chest archive. 

 

Well, could be !!!

[Interpolic]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Music piracy has more or less disappeared but like I said yesterday so has the money for recording bands.

 

It's true but it's not really relevant here I don't think? In terms of changing behaviour (rampant piracy) it has worked and it can work for the PL as well if they price it correctly. 

 

The PL isn't a complex landscape of thousands of artists, it's one organisation that could make a killing by cutting out the middleman and selling direct to consumer at a sensible price and at huge scale, all but killing piracy. 

[LFEE]

8 hours ago, Interpolic said:

 

It's true but it's not really relevant here I don't think? In terms of changing behaviour (rampant piracy) it has worked and it can work for the PL as well if they price it correctly. 

 

The PL isn't a complex landscape of thousands of artists, it's one organisation that could make a killing by cutting out the middleman and selling direct to consumer at a sensible price and at huge scale, all but killing piracy. 

The thousands of artists you say don’t exist are the players though. You reckon they’ll offer an official package of all sports tv shows and movies for £5 per month? Or even just all sports?

 

Clubs have to player ever increasing players more money because they want the best players because it’s a competitive industry. Until players and coaches etc salaries are drastically reigned in I can’t see them reaching the price point required as those most in demand will look to play and coach in other leagues.

 

Not arguing it’s a not good idea. Just feel the horse has bolted as younger more tech savvy fans become the customer base.

[Superior Acuña]

10 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Was vert good in the Gallowgate 1st Half. 2nd half died a death understandably given how shit we were.

 

Shows how little the sound travels cos my impression from the Leazes was that the Gallowgate was shit as well from the start.

[NG32]

Dead where i was on the touch line. 

 

I thought the Gallowgate give the best noise but died off when everyone realised we were never going to score in a month of Sundays. 

 

On my way in, i felt like there was no buzz on the metro, no buzz in the city centre, no real atmosphere, just felt like everyone was just turning up cos they had to.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

The thousands of artists you say don’t exist are the players though. You reckon they’ll offer an official package of all sports tv shows and movies for £5 per month? Or even just all sports?

 

Clubs have to player ever increasing players more money because they want the best players because it’s a competitive industry. Until players and coaches etc salaries are drastically reigned in I can’t see them reaching the price point required as those most in demand will look to play and coach in other leagues.

 

Not arguing it’s a not good idea. Just feel the horse has bolted as younger more tech savvy fans become the customer base.

I mean, they’ll never do anything just because consumers want it. They’ll only do it if they think they can make more money than they make now from TV. 

[Interpolic]

28 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I mean, they’ll never do anything just because consumers want it. They’ll only do it if they think they can make more money than they make now from TV. 

 

And also if they want to eliminate piracy, which they desperately do. At some point they need to realise that the only route to that is a price point that appeals to everyone. It doesn't need to be as cheap as IPTV if the UI is slick enough and the experience convenient enough, but it needs to be fairly cheap. 

[Cookie1892]

1 hour ago, NG32 said:

Dead where i was on the touch line. 

 

I thought the Gallowgate give the best noise but died off when everyone realised we were never going to score in a month of Sundays. 

 

On my way in, i felt like there was no buzz on the metro, no buzz in the city centre, no real atmosphere, just felt like everyone was just turning up cos they had to.

 

 

 

Weirdly i felt like that driving in as well, there was no buzz and no excitement in me, i was chewing about where to park and at one point stuck in traffic on the a1 i nearly jacked it and turned round.

 

I also seriously thought about leaving on 70mins and wish i had an ive never felt like that before

 

i wonder if i just was expecting us to steamroller them and couldnt get up for the battle