St James' Park

[Nowhere Man]

  On 15/03/2025 at 20:32, JT24 said:

Could be huge potential for opening up Leazes Terrace as well, get it fronting onto a brand new park. Everybody wins. 

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Are they private or rented homes or student accommodation do you know?

[ponsaelius]

  On 15/03/2025 at 20:45, Nowhere Man said:

Are they private or rented homes or student accommodation do you know?

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The whole block is a mix of all three.

[Tsunami]

  On 15/03/2025 at 20:32, ponsaelius said:

LP isn't a 'shithole', it's the oldest park in the city and a great piece of Victorian recreation + placemaking, that has a lot of heritage value. Hence why it is Grade II listed. It also has thousands of mature trees in a city we're acknowledging lacks in greenery. It's been underfunded and mismanaged though, like so much in this country that is only for public benefit.

 

I'd have significant doubts that any new build park extension will be able to replicate the same value tbh, because so many new urban green spaces are a bit shit. Plus it would be a long time before it grew in and matured. But I'd remain hopeful it could be achieved, and whatever the outcome it could definitely improve the setting of Leazes Terrace and become a very well used thoroughfare. 

 

I still think given everything it'll be far easier to build primarily on Castle Leazes, particularly in terms of footprint needed for the stadium itself (looking mainly at the space between the lake and Barrack Road), and that will end up being the actual location as in the 90s plan. But I'm sure we'll see soon enough.

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Leazes Park is romanticised from a long gone era. It’s under used, under funded, has a dirty lake and a replaced band stand. There’s huge potential to regenerate 2 areas and create something rather special.

 

If it’s a choice between mature trees and grabbing opportunity there really shouldn’t be an argument. The Park is a remnant of a different time, plant new trees, landscape the 2 areas to compliment each other, make a statement. Now is the time, it’ll not happen again. Castle Leazes would be an underwhelming 2nd choice.

[Vedder]

  On 15/03/2025 at 21:11, Tsunami said:

Castle Leazes would be an underwhelming 2nd choice.

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Not to be patronising, but isn’t it about 100 yards further up the road? Or am I missing something?

[Danh1]

Agree that there’s a lack of green space in the city centre. Also think that the town moor is a bit of a waste. Just open fields, no trees or anything. 

[Tsunami]

  On 15/03/2025 at 21:24, Vedder said:

Not to be patronising, but isn’t it about 100 yards further up the road? Or am I missing something?

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It’s not very far at all but, there’s nothing there. It’s all relative and it really shouldn’t make any difference. However, all of a sudden, Haymarket Bus Station is a bit further away, so is Central Station, the Metro and many of the pubs and eateries further into town.

 

I get it sounds fairly petty but it’ll place the ground on the periphery; many will disagree and I get that. If there’s a choice between the 2 there shouldn’t be a conversation over where to go.

[Vedder]

Yeah, I guess in my mind, I’m way more worried about the new stadium being moved way out of town so Castle Leazes would be fine with me. Also, think, there’s nothing there now but with the stadium footprint and associated developments, it might feel closer to everything else than you think.

 

I hope we’ll hear soon on what they’re proposing. 

[Ben]

Some reports are saying the new stadium could be similar to the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas

 

After a quick Google it looks good to me, I hope it would have the same impact on the local economy using local companies to do a high % of the work and creating over 1000 apprentiships in the process of the construction.

 

[PauloGeordio]

  22 hours ago, Ben said:

Some reports are saying the new stadium could be similar to the Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas

 

After a quick Google it looks good to me, I hope it would have the same impact on the local economy using local companies to do a high % of the work and creating over 1000 apprentiships in the process of the construction.

 

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[PauloGeordio]

[Whitley mag]

Think it’ll be closer to 70k and one podcast reckons retractable roof and pitch, two tiered exec boxes all way around, underground car park and it’ll also be used by Saudi for European events.

[Ben]

40 months to build that Allegiant Stadium apparently it can also be extended by 7000 seats as well

[gbandit]

If St. James’ gets knocked down for a monstrosity like that I’ll never get over it 

[Stifler]

  16 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Think it’ll be closer to 70k and one podcast reckons retractable roof and pitch, two tiered exec boxes all way around, underground car park and it’ll also be used by Saudi for European events.

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One goal stand needs to be single tier, preferable the end facing where SJP was.

[Whitley mag]

  15 hours ago, gbandit said:

If St. James’ gets knocked down for a monstrosity like that I’ll never get over it 

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There’ll be aspects of a few stadiums they’ll use I’d imagine, hopefully they piece together the best things and we get something to be proud of and future proof us for next 50 years.

[Danh1]

  15 hours ago, gbandit said:

If St. James’ gets knocked down for a monstrosity like that I’ll never get over it 

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Aye, it is just a dull modern bowl. No doubt some aspects of it are very technological and “cool”, but it is an arena not a football stadium. 

[Ben]

Imagine going to another country and saying "we are going to build you a £1.5billion stadium" and the fans say "fuck that" 

[Shearergol]

  14 hours ago, Danh1 said:

Aye, it is just a dull modern bowl. No doubt some aspects of it are very technological and “cool”, but it is an arena not a football stadium. 

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[Slim]

 

 

[El Prontonise]

  12 hours ago, Slim said:

 

 

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Does he not quote his sources?  Since he's down London.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

  14 hours ago, Danh1 said:

Aye, it is just a dull modern bowl. No doubt some aspects of it are very technological and “cool”, but it is an arena not a football stadium. 

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It’s going to be modern innit. So we probably need to come to terms with that. Still plenty of questions of how it’s implemented and what they can do to make it less generic. 

[TheBrownBottle]

I gave up yonks ago on the aesthetics of football stadiums.  The truth is that they’re all fucking ugly structures - it’s all steel, glass and concrete.  I’m yet to see a structure made from those materials that I’d consider beautiful (and I don’t mean impressive - I’ve seen plenty of those).

 

Newcastle’s centre is one of Georgian sandstone architecture - a hulking great football ground sat next to it is an eyesore (and the Caulkins of the world can fuck off with their ‘cathedral on the hill’ pish.  The city has two of those already - and if anyone wants to see what a truly beautiful cathedral looks like, they can hop on a train from central to Durham in ten mins).

 

SJP is ugly even with that said - it is brutalist in its architecture, and straightforwardly built to get as many arses on seats as possible in that footprint.  The SJP I knew as a kid (which looks nowt like the current one) was also an ugly, dilapidated wreck.  Yes, it was host our memories - but memories don’t go when a building is pulled down. 

[El Prontonise]

 

This while looking architecturaly, quite similar is at least different and sustainable.

[JT24]

  12 hours ago, El Prontonise said:

 

This while looking architecturaly, quite similar is at least different and sustainable.

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I would love a mass timber stadium but I've ended any hope of it ever happening up here haha

[El Prontonise]

  12 hours ago, JT24 said:

I would love a mass timber stadium but I've ended any hope of it ever happening up here haha

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Bamboo?