TheBrownBottle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 hours ago, NEEJ said: No offence meant in the slightest here, but am I right in thinking you're now abroad? If so, when were you last at SJP for a match? None taken. I am, last time was in 2022. Was a ST holder 1991-2009. Refused to go back under Ashley. Honestly, I’ve no issue if you don’t think I should have a say in moving from SJP or not. Newcastle is my place of birth and where I’ve spent 85% of my life so far - but I’m not there now, and I’m comfortable with the notion that it’s the locals who should have a say. I’m not one now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 12 hours ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: There’s an awful lot of presumption that all the new attendees would be plastics, rather than the next generations of kids who are currently locked out of watching at St James'. There are lots of people of my generation who were effectively locked out of the stadium bar the odd cup or European game under Keegan. I’d really rather that the same situation didn’t occur again as young fans are the lifeblood of the club and often of developing atmosphere Agree 100%. Plus all the people who quit during Ashley’s reign are now locked out as members. Although a know a few who’ve moved on from football altogether now. I also think generally more people want to watch football now. West Ham get approx 60k every week, I think we should be able to do 65-70k if tickets were priced right for the region. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 19 hours ago, timeEd32 said: We almost certainly cannot join the Tier 1 group without a new build, but given the preference for staying put if possible I think we'd happily accept joining the Tier 2 group as Liverpool opted to do. So the question is can we essentially double the current match day income while staying at SJP? I think if the answer based on what's feasible and the revenue projections is yes then that's what we'll do, though cost, short term disruption, and timeline will be relevant factors. If the answer is no because of site limitations or other then they will almost certainly have to look at a new stadium. The alternative puts far too much of a ceiling on both match day and commercial revenue to achieve the stated goal. Even if we were over the years to bridge gap to Tier 2 you put, in that time, those in Tier 2 will likely move on to Tier 1 and Tier 1 itself will grow. Anfield will expand further, Chelsea still want a new stadium eventually, and Man City will continue to expand over time because that’s continually got room for growth. So even if it was feasible to expand towards Tier 2, it’s probably better cost wise long term to go for new build. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Don’t even think it’s about facilities for me though it’d be great to have better brighter concourses with local products being served. The main issue is the poor design of level 7, its poor sight lines and feeling of detachment from the atmosphere. I’m not greatly impressed by the latest Anfield Road expansion, but the extra tier added at least looks part of the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I can foresee plans coming out to transform SJP like. I don’t think long term it will end up as basic as just whacking L7 on the Gallowgate. I still think the best case scenario would be a temporary stadium built on Exhibition Park (Qatar anyone?) and SJP being flattened and rebuilt from scratch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, TheGuv said: I can foresee plans coming out to transform SJP like. I don’t think long term it will end up as basic as just whacking L7 on the Gallowgate. I still think the best case scenario would be a temporary stadium built on Exhibition Park (Qatar anyone?) and SJP being flattened and rebuilt from scratch. Unless the Saudis have developed inverted stadiums I can't see how anything else happens trapped between leazes terrace and barrack road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Sibierski said: Even if we were over the years to bridge gap to Tier 2 you put, in that time, those in Tier 2 will likely move on to Tier 1 and Tier 1 itself will grow. Anfield will expand further, Chelsea still want a new stadium eventually, and Man City will continue to expand over time because that’s continually got room for growth. So even if it was feasible to expand towards Tier 2, it’s probably better cost wise long term to go for new build. Yeah, the projections would need to account for this. An expansion needs to get us into the £80-90m range in today’s money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 18 hours ago, Keegans Export said: Well judging by the figures @timeEd32 posted above, we've currently got about a 15% lower capacity than Spurs (52k versus 62k) but we're taking in 60% less matchday revenue (£40m versus £120m) so that suggests that just bridging the capacity gap isn't enough on its own. It'll be corporate revenue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 24 minutes ago, duo said: It'll be corporate revenue And ticket prices, our most expensive season tickets are about the same as their cheapest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 21 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: And ticket prices, our most expensive season tickets are about the same as their cheapest. That's a good point. Due to earning disparities between regions, we'll always struggle to price season tickets the same as Arsenal, Spurs etc. Building the same size stadium is only half the battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, Chris_R said: That's a good point. Due to earning disparities between regions, we'll always struggle to price season tickets the same as Arsenal, Spurs etc. Building the same size stadium is only half the battle. Isn’t a bad thing though. If you support Arsenal and Spurs, then you usually need a good job to be able to afford season tickets, even for London wages. A kid with working class parents will likely never see them play, unless they managed to grab a ticket through some school programme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 5 hours ago, Vedder said: Agree 100%. Plus all the people who quit during Ashley’s reign are now locked out as members. Although a know a few who’ve moved on from football altogether now. I also think generally more people want to watch football now. West Ham get approx 60k every week, I think we should be able to do 65-70k if tickets were priced right for the region. It's a very good point about west ham, despite all the negative press about their new home, they've still bumped up to over 60k by the simple fact that the space is there to be filled. The club will simply adapt to the new platform like we did from 36k to 52k and probably again a new average attendance of 65k Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Chris_R said: That's a good point. Due to earning disparities between regions, we'll always struggle to price season tickets the same as Arsenal, Spurs etc. Building the same size stadium is only half the battle. That's something that's come to the fore and boils me with FFP. The logistical factor. You could, and do, have clubs in the north far bigger than clubs in the south with whom they cant compete with simply because of that. Sheffield's, Boro and Mackems wont make as much as Fulham. How's that fair? Though wouldn't be surprised if it was factored in and only sweetened the deal for those behind all this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 11 hours ago, TheGuv said: I can foresee plans coming out to transform SJP like. I don’t think long term it will end up as basic as just whacking L7 on the Gallowgate. I still think the best case scenario would be a temporary stadium built on Exhibition Park (Qatar anyone?) and SJP being flattened and rebuilt from scratch. I just don’t see them spending hundreds of millions on a stadium that would be around for two seasons at most, for a massive loss. We’re an investment not a vanity project Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: We’re an investment not a vanity project I’d argue we’re both to be fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 There's no chance of a temp stadium being built, that would cost £100m's nowadays with how high construction costs are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, cubaricho said: I’d argue we’re both to be fair I think you’re right, but I would still doubt that they’d spend a couple of hundred million to build a temporary ground for two season which would bring in less than half that money back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) This whole talk of a temporary stadium seems extremely far fetched. We are going through the stages of grief but deep down we all know we have to move, even if it's a mile away. Edited March 24 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 8 hours ago, El Prontonise said: There's no chance of a temp stadium being built, that would cost £100m's nowadays with how high construction costs are. I agree. It would probably be more economical (but by no means perfect solution) to build 2 stands at Gateshead behind the goals, whether they be temporary or permanent structures. Maybe the club could develop a relationship like we had when we had reserve team football there and help upgrade their facilities a notch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 20 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said: I agree. It would probably be more economical (but by no means perfect solution) to build 2 stands at Gateshead behind the goals, whether they be temporary or permanent structures. Maybe the club could develop a relationship like we had when we had reserve team football there and help upgrade their facilities a notch. In a sane world you give the Mackems £10m a season to rent the SOS. But we don’t live in a sane world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 22 hours ago, Sibierski said: Even if we were over the years to bridge gap to Tier 2 you put, in that time, those in Tier 2 will likely move on to Tier 1 and Tier 1 itself will grow. Anfield will expand further, Chelsea still want a new stadium eventually, and Man City will continue to expand over time because that’s continually got room for growth. So even if it was feasible to expand towards Tier 2, it’s probably better cost wise long term to go for new build. It looks like the Scouse could hoy another tier on the Kenny dogleash stand and realistically they are done at 70k. The kop is hemmed in by a major A road, they could rebuild it but it would look odd, a bit like that stand at the old dell at Southampton where it was high one one side and lower on the other. Whilst it's possible to build over there will likely be major restrictions. There is also some buildings in close proximity however history suggests they are good at getting people to move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: In a sane world you give the Mackems £10m a season to rent the SOS. But we don’t live in a sane world It makes sense. Mind, I think it would cause an uproar on both sides. Some of our lot (me included) would absolutely hate venturing in Sunderland every 2 weeks and sitting on their red/pink seats. They'd probably go on the next 100 years how they bailed us out in aid of our super project. Be interesting to see the results of a poll on whether you would be willing for Newcastle to play there for 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 If we do rebuild SJP and have to move somewhere temporarily, we’d likely have to get over ourselves in saying the SOL isn’t an option. We can’t go anywhere else, aye going to Murray-field would be nice for a couple of big games, but isn’t sustainable. The SOL is only 3k behind us in capacity, it means we’ll be able to let all our season tickets still attend, and still sell some to people who go on a game by game basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Love discussing using the SOS, knowing that their board would be radge enough to say yes because money, and their entire support would throw the biggest wobbler in history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 St James 52,000+ SOS 49,000 Riverside 35,000 Darlington arena 25,000+ Gateshead international 12,000 Kingston park 10,000+ Daft ones Murrayfield 67,000+ Elland road 38,000 Any others? Maybe we could rename ourselves 'newcastle rangers' for a couple of seasons and go on a tour around the different venues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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