Scoot Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 50 minutes ago, madras said: Look, the problem with Leazes Terrace is natural light yeah ? Where does that come from......The Sun, so all we have to do is move The Sun to the other side and voila, problem solved. We'll have to wait until its night though as it gets hot during the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Scoot said: We'll have to wait until its night though as it gets hot during the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Who’s going to need natural light when the students are turfed out and its the new club museum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 hours ago, madras said: Look, the problem with Leazes Terrace is natural light yeah ? Where does that come from......The Sun, so all we have to do is move The Sun to the other side and voila, problem solved. Atom by atom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Yes I was being silly, move The Sun, don't be stupid. Would turning The Earth upside down so to speak have the effect of The Sun being on the other side ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 12 hours ago, manorpark said: Leazes Park Stadium would be fantastic, the John Hall plans wanted exactly that until the nimbys got in. However, an expanded St James' Park would be (for me) light years better. Now that we have the owners who (uniquely) can optimise the SJP expansion, I will always want that. It will be amazing, different (as now really) from anywhere else in England. The NIMBYs trawled for signatures in sunderland, too. The cunts. The issue with the Gallowgate remains the same regardless of the funds available to the owners. It is a potentially insurmountable task to extend the Gallowgate to any substantial degree - a civil and structural engineering nightmare. The risks - not only cost-based ones - would be a nightmare. I suspect a move will be the only option for any kind of substantial increase in capacity. The site is a fucking nightmare, basically - blocked by listed building on one side and likely blocked by the Metro station on the other. I can't see how the structure to expand the Gallowgate can be safely built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Is it not possible to completely excavate/rebuild the metro station into new foundations? Would cost a fortune like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: The NIMBYs trawled for signatures in sunderland, too. The cunts. The issue with the Gallowgate remains the same regardless of the funds available to the owners. It is a potentially insurmountable task to extend the Gallowgate to any substantial degree - a civil and structural engineering nightmare. The risks - not only cost-based ones - would be a nightmare. I suspect a move will be the only option for any kind of substantial increase in capacity. The site is a fucking nightmare, basically - blocked by listed building on one side and likely blocked by the Metro station on the other. I can't see how the structure to expand the Gallowgate can be safely built. Even back in the days of the Fred's they said it was structurally possible to extend the gallowgate but not financially viable at that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 Just now, Sima said: Is it not possible to completely excavate/rebuild the metro station into new foundations? Would cost a fortune like. You'd have to do something like that tbf. The stand extension would need huge pile foundations and even their installation could cause substantial damage to the station and line - assuming of course that they are even able to avoid the station at all. Removing the Metro - even temporarily - would make it more feasible, as it could be possible to build across Strawberry Place leaving the road intact (if temporarily closed). The slope at Gallowgate makes it all the more fun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: Even back in the days of the Fred's they said it was structurally possible to extend the gallowgate but not financially viable at that time. They talked of it - but that doesn't mean it was possible. You'd need to span the structure over Strawberry Place. Which would mean that the piles would be coming directly through the roof of the current Metro station. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 I suppose one question would be - do you even need a SJP Metro station? (Can you tell I'm from the west end?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I suppose one question would be - do you even need a SJP Metro station? (Can you tell I'm from the west end?) So am I. Remember that land was earmarked for several office blocks until our owners bought it. We're they going to have 4ft foundations ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 hours ago, madras said: Look, the problem with Leazes Terrace is natural light yeah ? Where does that come from......The Sun, so all we have to do is move The Sun to the other side and voila, problem solved. Just buy more of them lights they use to grow the pitch and shine em at people's windows on a timer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 13 hours ago, manorpark said: Leazes Park Stadium would be fantastic, the John Hall plans wanted exactly that until the nimbys got in. However, an expanded St James' Park would be (for me) light years better. Now that we have the owners who (uniquely) can optimise the SJP expansion, I will always want that. It will be amazing, different (as now really) from anywhere else in England. So the nimbys blocked the planned new stadium when Hall was the owner and yet you think developing St.James's is light years better? Logically, then (in your book). the nimbys were the good guys as they blocked the new stadium in favour of extending the existing stadium. A lot of these so-called nimbys were against the plans back then because the club wanted to retain St.James's Park (albeit reduced) AND build a new stadium. Concrete and steel overkill - the park would have been reduced to a green corridor between two overbearing stadia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 hours ago, madras said: So am I. Remember that land was earmarked for several office blocks until our owners bought it. We're they going to have 4ft foundations ? No, because the offices weren't going to be built on top of the Metro station (see link). Even if they were (they definitely weren't), the office block foundations would be on the building footprint - the stadium foundations would be structural piles underneath the steel columns. The weight distribution would be completely different from that of an office block. The stadium expansion is a civil engineering project; the office blocks an architectural one. The foundations aren't built in the same way even if they were both a level greenfield site. https://heliosrealestate.com/mixed-use-scheme-strawberry-place-newcastle/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 hours ago, TomYam said: So the nimbys blocked the planned new stadium when Hall was the owner and yet you think developing St.James's is light years better? Logically, then (in your book). the nimbys were the good guys as they blocked the new stadium in favour of extending the existing stadium. A lot of these so-called nimbys were against the plans back then because the club wanted to retain St.James's Park (albeit reduced) AND build a new stadium. Concrete and steel overkill - the park would have been reduced to a green corridor between two overbearing stadia. Their tactics were tiresome in the extreme, and they came across as NIMBYs. And canvassing in sunderland was fucking disgraceful. You are right that the plan was to maintain SJP for rugby etc - John Hall's 'sporting club' stuff was still rumbling on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Their tactics were tiresome in the extreme, and they came across as NIMBYs. And canvassing in sunderland was fucking disgraceful. You are right that the plan was to maintain SJP for rugby etc - John Hall's 'sporting club' stuff was still rumbling on. Aye, turning up at Joker Park to get signatures was fucking beyond low. They used to get pelters when standing at greys monument. If I recall correctly they even had the gall to object to the expansion of SJP due to increased traffic. They we’re basically NIMBYs with a few genuine tree huggers amongst them. Edited June 26, 2023 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I suppose one question would be - do you even need a SJP Metro station? (Can you tell I'm from the west end?) I think it was raised somewhere on here that it serves a purpose as a terminus and allows trains to change tracks. Not sure whether Manors has the same facility or not and could be used as a substitute? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondedcrown Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 19 hours ago, huss9 said: they'll have to buy st james tce and leazes tce. knock down st james tce, and incorporate leazes tce into the stadium somehow. find a new purpose for it. Will never happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: No, because the offices weren't going to be built on top of the Metro station (see link). Even if they were (they definitely weren't), the office block foundations would be on the building footprint - the stadium foundations would be structural piles underneath the steel columns. The weight distribution would be completely different from that of an office block. The stadium expansion is a civil engineering project; the office blocks an architectural one. The foundations aren't built in the same way even if they were both a level greenfield site. https://heliosrealestate.com/mixed-use-scheme-strawberry-place-newcastle/ And if you remember back pre Ashley when their were tentative plans for a hotel and casino linked on to an extended Gallowgate, everyone said it was doable, that included engineers etc but cost prohibitive and we've had nearly 20yrs of progress since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: And if you remember back pre Ashley when their were tentative plans for a hotel and casino linked on to an extended Gallowgate, everyone said it was doable, that included engineers etc but cost prohibitive and we've had nearly 20yrs of progress since then. Wouldn’t it be great having two huge football stadiums sitting next to each other for a while! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Wouldn’t it be great having two huge football stadiums sitting next to each other for a while! Dunno, if we were to move up to Castle Leazes/Leazes Park I'd like the current SJP footprint to he a green space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 7 hours ago, TomYam said: So the nimbys blocked the planned new stadium when Hall was the owner and yet you think developing St.James's is light years better? Logically, then (in your book). the nimbys were the good guys as they blocked the new stadium in favour of extending the existing stadium. A lot of these so-called nimbys were against the plans back then because the club wanted to retain St.James's Park (albeit reduced) AND build a new stadium. Concrete and steel overkill - the park would have been reduced to a green corridor between two overbearing stadia. Please do not twist my words and please do not imply that I am saying EXACTLY the opposite of what I am actually saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: The NIMBYs trawled for signatures in sunderland, too. The cunts. The issue with the Gallowgate remains the same regardless of the funds available to the owners. It is a potentially insurmountable task to extend the Gallowgate to any substantial degree - a civil and structural engineering nightmare. The risks - not only cost-based ones - would be a nightmare. I suspect a move will be the only option for any kind of substantial increase in capacity. The site is a fucking nightmare, basically - blocked by listed building on one side and likely blocked by the Metro station on the other. I can't see how the structure to expand the Gallowgate can be safely built. Fortunately we are now owned by one of the family members of the property developers the Reuben Bros, and by the P I F. They are not the type of people to see problems, only solutions. Edited June 26, 2023 by manorpark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Could the Saudis not buy a second sun (just for Leazes terrace) and the we use the current one ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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