Orphanage Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, ponsaelius said: Nah knock down and rebuild there's ways to either use more or less the same plot more efficiently - or build further up the hill on Castle Leazes. The former just has the issue of where you play in the meantime. If you were building on Castle Leazes youd just build a new stadium whilst retaining St James Park then when the new build is ready you would take SJP down . No need to play elsewhere at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: You think we'll just always keep the stadium the same? As it stands yes . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Just now, Orphanage said: As it stands yes . What does as it stands mean though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Orphanage said: If you were building on Castle Leazes youd just build a new stadium whilst retaining St James Park then when the new build is ready you would take SJP down . No need to play elsewhere at all Yes that's why I only said the former would require playing elsewhere! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, Orphanage said: As it stands yes . We've got a location that is amazing and should be coveted. But thanks to Ashley the stadium looks dated and shabby. e.g. most people have tellys in their living room that are bigger than the ones on our concourse. The Saudi's love shiny new building and infrastructure projects (see NEOM) and will want a stadium that compares favourably to other top teams. So I think it's inevitable we're getting an upgrade, just where and how are the questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: What does as it stands mean though? As it is . They can change the inside a bit upgrade it etc but i think the potential for extending the ground isnt there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: So I think it's inevitable we're getting an upgrade, just where and how are the questions. I actually think that (as well as a 10k-15k capacity extension) there will also be a complete refurbishment of the interior. I know it's all been given a lick of paint recently, but I'm talking about new flooring and wall panelling going down over the concrete/brick that's there currently. New TVs, new kiosks etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 29 minutes ago, Orphanage said: Hence the Sela fanzone park thingy which would attempt to draw in as many fans as possible before , during ( ticketless fans ) and after the match . Profits increased without extending the ground . Tbh i cant see a ground extension or a new build . Its just not cost effective Don't see it. The fan zone at St James' will be temporary. The discussion going on will be to expand or build anew. Gallowgate expansion would lead to a new fanzone, don't rule out Leazes Terrace or the Barker and Stonehouse building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: I actually think that (as well as a 10k-15k capacity extension) there will also be a complete refurbishment of the interior. I know it's all been given a lick of paint recently, but I'm talking about new flooring and wall panelling going down over the concrete/brick that's there currently. New TVs, new kiosks etc. There's also the possibility of building back from the Leazes to allow more corporate stuff. Also, Grade 1 listed status (Leazes Terrace) does not stop any alterations or even demolition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, madras said: Don't see it. The fan zone at St James' will be temporary. The discussion going on will be to expand or build anew. Gallowgate expansion would lead to a new fanzone, don't rule out Leazes Terrace or the Barker and Stonehouse building. Well , we will see in the next five years or so but dont be too shocked if it doesnt happen ( ground extension ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Just now, Orphanage said: Well , we will see in the next five years or so but dont be too shocked if it doesnt happen ( ground extension ) I would be shocked if there's no extension or new build. I doubt a fanzone for maybe a thousand or so (which they'll have regardless of aswell as an extension or new ground) is going to take the place of maybe 8,000 extra inside the ground in the eyes of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Issue with a new stadium is you’d spend huge amounts and the capacity would only go up about 18000 max as the club are not realistically going to sell out regularly over 70k Whereas there was a lot more corporate and premium stuff at SJP in the 00’s, you can boost the commercial revenue from the stadium substantially. A lot more of the leases and milburn used to be various clubs and areas. id expect a modest extension plus a refurb One outcome will be higher prices… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 A couple of people have mentioned Castle Leazes student resi as possible location. Unfortunately, Newcastle University are pushing ahead with it's redevelopment quite soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Cheaper to build a new stadium rather than mess around with extensions and the like. If the general consensus is to to have something along the lines of the stadium they played in the states then you have to knock it down and build a new one , build a temp one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 How busy is the multi story car park on match days? Seems mad to have all the space just for parking, when you could expand the concourse out in to that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Adam said: How busy is the multi story car park on match days? Seems mad to have all the space just for parking, when you could expand the concourse out in to that? How many levels do you want on the Leazes ? 9 ? 10 ? Need to provide oxygen masks as standard : ) Edited August 11, 2023 by Orphanage sp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Just now, Orphanage said: How man levels do you want on the Leazes ? 9 ? 10 ? Need to provide oxygen masks as standard : ) He said out, not up. Bigger concourses for better hospitality etc a la Atlanta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 50 minutes ago, wyn davies said: Cheaper to build a new stadium rather than mess around with extensions and the like. If the general consensus is to to have something along the lines of the stadium they played in the states then you have to knock it down and build a new one , build a temp one. You can argue it would be better, but unless any extension to the Gallowgate/East Stand was made of gold, a new stadium would not be cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimusSlime Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Adam said: How busy is the multi story car park on match days? Seems mad to have all the space just for parking, when you could expand the concourse out in to that? It’s completely full. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimusSlime Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 3 hours ago, WilliamPS said: Issue with a new stadium is you’d spend huge amounts and the capacity would only go up about 18000 max as the club are not realistically going to sell out regularly over 70k Whereas there was a lot more corporate and premium stuff at SJP in the 00’s, you can boost the commercial revenue from the stadium substantially. A lot more of the leases and milburn used to be various clubs and areas. id expect a modest extension plus a refurb One outcome will be higher prices… Agree completely. There is so much untapped revenue from existing SJP. I expect further refurbs within the ground and more existing areas converted to premium or hospitality next summer again too. As other posters have said, cost of labour/materials is huge nowadays. The value of an expansion is poor. Unless a Saudi vanity project is wanted - which it may well be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Orphanage said: How man levels do you want on the Leazes ? 9 ? 10 ? Need to provide oxygen masks as standard : ) Big stadium = fans far away from the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) Guys, it won't be cheaper. Construction costs are through the roof, coupled with the availability of skilled construction labor globally. Our only benefit is that we probably are lucky enough that PIF could likely fund the entire construction of a new stadium or expansion with cash where as our rivals had to go into the debt markets to fund. Now, if the PIF do it their institutional way, they may get debt from their preferred lenders....which would be intersting as well. It's an expensive project one way or another. Do not look at what stuff cost 1-5 years ago or 5-10 years ago. It doesn't compare anymore. Edited August 11, 2023 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, SteV said: You can argue it would be better, but unless any extension to the Gallowgate/East Stand was made of gold, a new stadium would not be cheaper. Correct, and that's why Liverpool have not built a new stadium even when you consider 2 extensions costing almost 200m. Both stands have ceilings too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, Pancrate1892 said: Correct, and that's why Liverpool have not built a new stadium even when you consider 2 extensions costing almost 200m. Both stands have ceilings too. So that’s what Klopp meant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, madras said: He said out, not up. Bigger concourses for better hospitality etc a la Atlanta. I think that's an excellent point. Maybe the leazes can be extended back and have the car park behind the existing structure (stacked) so that the concourses can be extended for what we saw in Atlanta, large bar areas with viewing areas into the ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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