NE5 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Also - does anyone seriously think that Newcastle United are better off with Shola Ameobi than Craig Bellamy ? Fred Shepherd & Soumess both thought so. Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. Bobby Robson didn't think so, and neither did lots of other managers, otherwise they would have tried to sign Ameobi !!!!! are you trying to make out that the sale of bellamy was a purely footballing decision ? can't really make up my mind if thats a serious question or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I honestly believe Bellamy is on his way back to Newcastle with Owen going the other way and here's why ... I honestly believe that Sam isn't a nutcase, and is content with a front quartet of Michael Owen, Obafemi Martins, Mark Viduka and Shola Ameobi, and isn't senile enough to get rid of someone with the sheer class that Owen possesses, for some downhill renegade who can't score into double figures - who doesn't have a neck. never ceases to amaze me when people turn up goalscoring statistics for support strikers and compare them with out and out goalscorers to try and justify "who is the better player". Also - does anyone seriously think that Newcastle United are better off with Shola Ameobi than Craig Bellamy ? why limit the choice to just bellamy and ameobi,why not say spend the money we'd get on owen and ameobi and get someone else entirely. I have said get rid of Owen. I would sell him while we can if he won't commit to a longer contract. I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. TEXTBOOK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. TEXTBOOK Well, lets put it this way mate. Souness clearly wanted rid of Bellamy, so if Fred had then turned around and said that Bellamy isn't going, THEN you could have said he was interfering. As it happens, the absolute correct decision should have been sacking Souness on the spot for being unable to manage his players and assaulting said player on the training ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. TEXTBOOK Well, lets put it this way mate. Souness clearly wanted rid of Bellamy, so if Fred had then turned around and said that Bellamy isn't going, THEN you could have said he was interfering. As it happens, the absolute correct decision should have been sacking Souness on the spot for being unable to manage his players and assaulting said player on the training ground. if true,also does that mean bellamy should have beens sacked for throwing a chair at john carver in public and his training ground fights ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. TEXTBOOK Well, lets put it this way mate. Souness clearly wanted rid of Bellamy, so if Fred had then turned around and said that Bellamy isn't going, THEN you could have said he was interfering. As it happens, the absolute correct decision should have been sacking Souness on the spot for being unable to manage his players and assaulting said player on the training ground. if true,also does that mean bellamy should have beens sacked for throwing a chair at john carver in public and his training ground fights ? Possibly. Carver accepted the apology and was big enough to get on with things. Should Chelsea also have sacked Terry, Lampard etc for past behaviour ? Should ManU have sacked Rio Ferdinand ? Fact is, we are NOT better off without Craig Bellamy mate. We have spent an absolute fortune attempting to replace him and Robert, due to Souness, the financial position we got into stems from the offloading and replacement of these players, and whats more, we STILL haven't adequately replaced them. It is staggering that people STILL defend the offloading of these 2 players when you look at our fortunes since they left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. TEXTBOOK Well, lets put it this way mate. Souness clearly wanted rid of Bellamy, so if Fred had then turned around and said that Bellamy isn't going, THEN you could have said he was interfering. As it happens, the absolute correct decision should have been sacking Souness on the spot for being unable to manage his players and assaulting said player on the training ground. if true,also does that mean bellamy should have beens sacked for throwing a chair at john carver in public and his training ground fights ? Possibly. Carver accepted the apology and was big enough to get on with things. Should Chelsea also have sacked Terry, Lampard etc for past behaviour ? Should ManU have sacked Rio Ferdinand ? so if the problem wouldn't have arisen had bellamy been sacked post carver then the problem originally seems to lie at robsons/fat fred's door,and it's you that said possibly the correct decision was a sacking..............seems like you may have ansered yourself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Well, Souness did. Not so sure about Shepherd, he probably backed his manager, like good chairman do. TEXTBOOK Well, lets put it this way mate. Souness clearly wanted rid of Bellamy, so if Fred had then turned around and said that Bellamy isn't going, THEN you could have said he was interfering. As it happens, the absolute correct decision should have been sacking Souness on the spot for being unable to manage his players and assaulting said player on the training ground. if true,also does that mean bellamy should have beens sacked for throwing a chair at john carver in public and his training ground fights ? Possibly. Carver accepted the apology and was big enough to get on with things. Should Chelsea also have sacked Terry, Lampard etc for past behaviour ? Should ManU have sacked Rio Ferdinand ? so if the problem wouldn't have arisen had bellamy been sacked post carver then the problem originally seems to lie at robsons/fat fred's door I've added to the post. I don't think anyone doubts that Bobby Robson had lost control of some players, Bellamy being one. Its not great, its not what you want, but its life, and managers are paid big money to manage footballers on big money and egos to go with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 You've given two poor examples there NE5, considering Chelsea got rid of Mutu and Mourinho has no time for Glenn Johnson because of disciplinary reasons, while we all know what happened to Stam at Man Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 i added to my post aswell.if you think a sacking was in order for souness for allegedly deckinh bellamy on the training pitch then you have to be consistent.....i'm not too familiar with what lampard and ferdinand done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Fact is, we are NOT better off without Craig Bellamy mate. We have spent an absolute fortune attempting to replace him and Robert, due to Souness, the financial position we got into stems from the offloading and replacement of these players, and whats more, we STILL haven't adequately replaced them. Do you think these two have reached the standard of play they were playing at Newcastle since leaving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I would get rid of Owen too, unless he signs a contract extension...but do we really want him signed up to an extra 2yrs of £120k/week and him being injured the majority of the time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 If Bellamy is so good why do Liverpool want rid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Fact is, we are NOT better off without Craig Bellamy mate. We have spent an absolute fortune attempting to replace him and Robert, due to Souness, the financial position we got into stems from the offloading and replacement of these players, and whats more, we STILL haven't adequately replaced them. Do you think these two have reached the standard of play they were playing at Newcastle since leaving. bellamy at blackburn did,robert carried on the way he was latterly here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 You've given two poor examples there NE5, considering Chelsea got rid of Mutu and Mourinho has no time for Glenn Johnson because of disciplinary reasons, while we all know what happened to Stam at Man Utd. They got rid of them when it suited them and the manager had the sense to replace them first or already had better players at the club, its called putting the club first and being a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Fact is, we are NOT better off without Craig Bellamy mate. We have spent an absolute fortune attempting to replace him and Robert, due to Souness, the financial position we got into stems from the offloading and replacement of these players, and whats more, we STILL haven't adequately replaced them. Do you think these two have reached the standard of play they were playing at Newcastle since leaving. Robert is getting older.....fact is if he wanted shot of him he should do it for football reasons and nothing else, when he has a replacement, and get a fee, not kick him out for nothing. Bellamy has not played regularly for Liverpool, like other players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Fact is, we are NOT better off without Craig Bellamy mate. We have spent an absolute fortune attempting to replace him and Robert, due to Souness, the financial position we got into stems from the offloading and replacement of these players, and whats more, we STILL haven't adequately replaced them. Do you think these two have reached the standard of play they were playing at Newcastle since leaving. Bellamy did at Blackburn oh and wasn't the John Carver incident a little more two sided than people here are presenting. Didn't Carver throw the first punch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Had a s*** season is ,a total knobhead, Liverpool want rid becuase he set about a team mate with a golf club!! So straight swap deal for Owen coming up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 You've given two poor examples there NE5, considering Chelsea got rid of Mutu and Mourinho has no time for Glenn Johnson because of disciplinary reasons, while we all know what happened to Stam at Man Utd. They got rid of them when it suited them and the manager had the sense to replace them first or already had better players at the club, its called putting the club first and being a manager Newcastle replaced Bellamy with Owen. How many (at the time) would have disagreed with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Bellend is not and never will be a goal scorer. IF we had him and Viduka upfront, i wouldnt be that optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 They got rid of them when it suited them and the manager had the sense to replace them first or already had better players at the club, its called putting the club first and being a manager I think it is called the "TIPPING POINT". Fergie kept Keane on through him whacking his neighbours, young children, Norwegians, slagging off corporate fans, Man Utd fans, teammates & playing with dog cock when Keane was in his pomp but once Keane dissed Smith, Fletcher etc when his knees were f***** & he could only sit in front of the back four it was: that's your pay off next to the exit door.Soumess has struggled knowing when a player has reached his tipping point, I do think Bellamy had tipped his well & truly. I reckon by then Shep had enough as well. The NUFC decline is more down to Sir Bob leaving than Bellamy & Robert leaving. Robert & Bellamy did take part in the season we finished 14th under Souy, both did not take part the following season we finished 7th. I would imagine most fans who joined the roller-coaster ride that is Newcastle Utd from the Keegan days wouldn't even put Bellamy in there top 4 forwards, would you put him in front of Shearer, Sir Les, Beardsley or Cole? If we go back a stage further the question could be did Robert & Bellamy ever replace Ginola & Les. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Robson had a problem with Bellamy because no matter how badly he behaved, he was too valuable to the team to be dropped or transferred. Bellamy realised this and ended up doing what he wanted. We may shortly be in a position where we have a much better squad overall, and Allardyce could take a tougher line with Bellamy if it was needed. Bring back the Poison Dwarf! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Bellamy has not played regularly for Liverpool, like other players. He took part in 42 games which included 23 starts & 4 as sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 given the straight choice owen or bellamy....owen. given the choice bellamy or £9mill going towards a huntelaar or some such...take the cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 given the straight choice owen or bellamy....owen. given the choice bellamy or £9mill going towards a huntelaar or some such...take the cash Seconded. Bellend's £9m valuation for flopping at 'pool seems like a crafty effort to match him for Owen in a possible swap deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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