Isegrim Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Coming from a discussion with Bayernfans on a Jorman forum after Hitzfeld signed a new contract. What do you consider is the bigger achievement. What Wenger has done at Arsenal in the last ten years or what Hitzfeld achieved with Bayern and Dortmund. And if you look at both who would you rather want to manage Newcastle (or your club in general)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Wenger, he knows about the league, and has had past success at transforming the whole structure one of the English dinosaurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bramble OG Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Wenger - Proven and fantastic in the transfer market In a ideal world Wenger with hitzfeld as number 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Extremely tough choice. Both managers have developed plenty of unknown players into top class ones. Hitzfeld has achieved more imo, and is the better manager tactically and when it comes to winning games, especially big ones, so overall hes the better manager, but my vote goes to Wenger with regards to our club, purely because hes consistently developed world class players from scratch. Hes the best manager when it comes to signing unknown for small fees and watching their value rise to the 20mills within a few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Bloody good question, on one hand Hitzfeld is one of the best there has ever been, on the other Wenger knows the league and plays good football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC06 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Extremely tough choice. Both managers have developed plenty of unknown players into top class ones. Hitzfeld has achieved more imo, and is the better manager tactically and when it comes to winning games, especially big ones, so overall hes the better manager, but my vote goes to Wenger with regards to our club, purely because hes consistently developed world class players from scratch. Hes the best manager when it comes to signing unknown for small fees and watching their value rise to the 20mills within a few years. Completely agree with you This thread should have included Marcello Lippi too He is free at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Ottmar Hitzfeld turned Paul Lambert into a Champions League winner so he has proven he can work wonders with players of limited ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Extremely tough choice. Both managers have developed plenty of unknown players into top class ones. Hitzfeld has achieved more imo, and is the better manager tactically and when it comes to winning games, especially big ones, so overall hes the better manager, but my vote goes to Wenger with regards to our club, purely because hes consistently developed world class players from scratch. Hes the best manager when it comes to signing unknown for small fees and watching their value rise to the 20mills within a few years. Completely agree with you This thread should have included Marcello Lippi too He is free at the moment Yeah, but the discussion wasn't who is the best manager in the world, but who is the better of those two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I think Hitzfeld would have more hunger for the job, wanting to prove himself in the Premiership, whereas Wenger arguably already has done so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'd go with Wenger. Proven he can do it here. Who knows what Hitzfeld would be like outside of Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'd go with Wenger. Proven he can do it here. Who knows what Hitzfeld would be like outside of Germany. I don't see why he wouldn't be a success, the Bundesliga is probably the most similar league to the premiership in terms of style of play. And when it comes to europe he's a genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Wenger. Proven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Wenger's a genius imo. Hitzfeld is unproven here, as has been pointed out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Wenger was pretty bloody unproven before he moved here, y'know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 The Wenger bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Wenger was pretty bloody unproven before he moved here, y'know. Same with Benitez and Mourinho too. Top managers of this calibre will be good wherever they go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Hitzfield,mainly because Wenger is a cunt.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 they're both foreign twats what exactly has Arshole Wanker achieved anyway? Were arsenal dogshit before he arrived? I doubt it and Hitzfeld is a loon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Yawn. Please don't anyone bite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 they're both foreign twats what exactly has Arshole w****** achieved anyway? Were arsenal dogshit before he arrived? I doubt it and Hitzfeld is a loon www.hitzfeldisaloon.com? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 This may come as a surprise... Wenger. Hitzfeld is the better all-round manager for me with a bigger grasp of tactics, especially at European level as his success inidcates, but I don't think he's the type of manager to build a dynasty if you will, not a long lasting one anyway, like Wenger has done at Arsenal, and the Frenchman's footballing principles appeal to me more too. Him being proven in the Premiership also factors, but I agree with others, world-class managers will succeed wherever they go and Hitzfeld is certainly a world-class manager and the differences are marginal, most likely down to footballing style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 This may come as a surprise... Wenger. . What did you do to HTT? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_NUFC Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Hitzfeld, but he's gone and committed to Bayern for at least another year. But we're talking in an ideal world aren't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ridzuan Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I dont think the question should who would we rather choose,but maybe who would they rather choose.But anyway,if you ask me,I prefer Wenger because he has been in the Premiership for a long time and he understands the game better.Hitzfeld is not bad either,but Im judging them based on their experience of the game.I dont think anyone of them will want to come here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I think Hitzfeld is better than Wenger, he's taken two different clubs to land the biggest prize in league football so those who say he's only done it in Germany should think for a minute before trotting that one out. Fair enough he's never managed in the Premiership but the game is still played with 11 players kicking a ball around a field. I think Hitzfeld would out-think most managers in this country, I'd love to see him come up against Ferguson, Wenger and Mourinho on a regular basis. Good luck to him in his new job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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