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That look immense :thup:

 

Were you over just for the match?

 

Aye :thup:

 

Did a stadium tour, had a couple of night outs and went out and about around the town though as well. Such an amazing place, the city is football mad.

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That look immense :thup:

 

Were you over just for the match?

 

Aye :thup:

 

Did a stadium tour, had a couple of night outs and went out and about around the town though as well. Such an amazing place, the city is football mad.

 

I could really fancy doing that - was it easy enough to navigate around town/get tickets?

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That look immense :thup:

 

Were you over just for the match?

 

Aye :thup:

 

Did a stadium tour, had a couple of night outs and went out and about around the town though as well. Such an amazing place, the city is football mad.

 

I could really fancy doing that - was it easy enough to navigate around town/get tickets?

 

Yeah, an absolute doddle. Getting tickets for the game is the only stumbling block as they always sell out so we had to get ours from Viagogo and ended up paying 2x the price, well worth it in the end though. Towns are signposted well and the train ticket machines all have an English option. Everyone over there spoke decent English as well so communicating was easy enough as well.

 

If you ever do think about going in the future it worked out cheaper for us to fly to Dusseldorf and get the train from there to Dortmund so might be best to price that up as well :thup:

 

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Ah cheers! Berlin was nice and everyone spoke English there - but I wouldn't have expected it elsewhere!

 

My mam works in Dusseldorf once a year so she might be able to advise on the flights. My mate wanted to drive across but I like a drink on holiday. :lol:

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That look immense :thup:

 

Were you over just for the match?

 

Aye :thup:

 

Did a stadium tour, had a couple of night outs and went out and about around the town though as well. Such an amazing place, the city is football mad.

 

Jealous as fuck. :thup:

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Not sure.  We stayed in Dusseldorf and went to a Bayer Leverkusen game.  Only took us about 40 minutes train and walk to the stadium...if that.

 

Dortmund was about the same iirc.  It's difficult to get lost given how good their ticket offices/stations are to be honest.

 

 

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Yeh I've only been to Berlin and that was easy enough.

 

I'll have to ask my mam some details  - she went to a Schalke game from Dusseldorf. (when they played Man City in the waffa)

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/borussia-dortmund/10428828/British-interest-in-Borussia-Dortmund-no-surprise-to-the-men-who-make-the-Yellow-Wall-work.html

 

Hans-Joachim Watzke, the chief executive of Borussia Dortmund, was struck by an extraordinary phenomenon when, caught up in traffic on the way to his club’s recent Bundesliga game against Hanover, he decided to get out of the car with his son and walk the last 500 metres to the Westfalenstadion.

 

“This 500 metres must have taken about an hour to walk as I got stopped for what seemed about 250 photos,” said Watzke, recalling a great time mingling with the usual 80,000 fans. “And the amazing thing was that I think about 10 per cent of those who asked for photos were English guys.

 

“It made me realise just how many English people were going to the stadium. My son told me, ‘It’s marvellous; they’re all speaking English’. It was very surprising for me but they all told me it was because of wonderful atmosphere and wonderful prices.”This is the Borussia experience they fly hundreds of mile to relish.

On Wednesday night Arsenal will bring 3,300 fans to watch their Champions League clash but a Brit invasion is nothing new.

 

At every Dortmund home match, 800-1,000 fans will usually have made the trip from Britain.

 

Why? Because, according to Watzke, they are attracted by the unique ambience of one of Europe’s last great romantic clubs, where the tickets – and beer – are cheap, the fans are put first and an extraordinary throwback feel, full of raw passion and energy at the best attended club in the world, can perhaps make them remember something that British football has mislaid.

 

“I think the English have the deepest feeling for football, a little bit more of a romantic feeling than in Italy, so I think that maybe they think there is something missing in English football, that the English clubs have lost a bit of a feeling,” says Watzke.

 

“Not necessarily just in London, but maybe in Newcastle or other cities. That’s the great difficulty they face. They’re not as in touch with the heart as over here.”

It is a big claim that should concern and wound England’s fat cats, even if Watzke will not criticise Premier League clubs. “They have been very successful; I’m not the guy who has to tell them what they have to do and they must go their way. But we go our way.” And an extraordinarily persuasive way it looks. Compare, for instance, tonight’s opponents, two of the most attractive teams and best run clubs in their respective leagues.

Staggeringly, Arsenal, according to Watzke, make 45 times as much revenue from their home match days as Dortmund yet their cheapest season ticket is about twice as dear as Borussia’s most expensive.

 

A season ticket for Dortmund’s famed Sudtribune, to savour one of football’s great experiences on the “Yellow Wall”, Europe’s biggest stadium terrace, alongside 25,000 bouncing fans costs just €190 (£160). Arsenal’s cheapest seat costs £985.

 

Carsten Cramer, Dortmund’s marketing director, suggests the British fan invasion over the past couple of years can partly be explained because of the cost of budget air travel and a ticket, whose price includes free public transport, can work out cheaper than a day out at some London clubs.

Borussia could rake in many millions more on match day but choose not to.

 

“We would lose credibility, we would lose loyalty, we would lose the bonding force with the fans. And that would cost us,” says Cramer. “For instance, our caterers asked to increase the price of half a litre of beer from €3.70 [£3.11] to €3.80 [£3.19] and we said that extra 10 cents doesn’t make the difference, why should we increase it? It doesn’t satisfy our people.”

 

As Watzke explains, the Dortmund philosophy must be that “no fan of Borussia Dortmund has a feeling that he is a client. German fans don’t want to feel like a spectator going to the theatre or the opera. They want to feel part of the whole.

 

They bill themselves, with no false modesty, as “Europe’s hottest club”, and they might be right as on and off the field they flourish spectacularly. In nine years since helping rescue the club from near-bankruptcy, Watzke has masterminded their path to a Champions League final last year and two Bundesliga titles in the past three seasons under Jürgen Klopp, a coach he feels is the world’s best. All achieved on a shoestring, relative to their major European rivals, too.

“We have not so much money,” says Watzke. “A transfer budget of €67 million [£56 million] – I think Stoke City has the same – and so we must be very, very sure that every euro of our investment comes back. And for that Jürgen is very important because we must have a coach that makes every player better.”

In a way, Dortmund, with their 55,000 season ticket holders and 95,000 club members, epitomise the flourishing health of German football.

 

The Bundesliga’s “50 plus one” rule which ensures the club is controlled by those members means that no foreign investor could ever take over anyway but Watzke emphasises the point, saying: “If an Arabian or a Russian phones me [to try to buy the club], I think the conversation will last 20 seconds.

"I will say I’m not interested. I would never be interested. Because with an Arabian or a Russian investor, who has the influence over the club, I think there wouldn’t be 80,000 spectators, there would be 20,000.

 

“The people at Chelsea were happy to win the Champions League, but I think the Borussia fans wouldn’t be happy to win it with an Arabian investor because then they wouldn’t be a piece of the club. Then they would only be customers — and they don’t want to be customers.

“English clubs must look at Financial Fair Play. It’s not a problem for Manchester United but for clubs who don’t have revenues yet spend money like Monaco.

“It’s correct that a club must spend from their revenues. It’s not the way of sport that the club with the richest investor wins. The club that wins should be the one that has the best team and the best management and the best ideas — not only the money. That’s the point.”

 

Edit - Didn't realise it had been posted in NWOAT as well!

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After today's results, really hope Dortmund can get a win vs. Bayern in 2 weeks time or else the league is pretty much done.

 

Subotic seems to have torn his ACL...and Dortmund's 2 games back from int'l break is vs. Bayern and Napoli. Will make or break their season.

 

Leverkusen bounced back after their shock defeat last week....tidy little team. Hope they beat the Mancs in CL after the break.

 

Looks like it'll be a battle between Schalke and Wolfsburg for that last CL spot.

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Subotic seems to have torn his ACL...and Dortmund's 2 games back from int'l break is vs. Bayern and Napoli. Will make or break their season.

 

Awful news if he actually has torn it, will more than likely be out for the season. Sokratis did well earlier in the season when he was covering Hummels, they'll definitely need to buy/loan a new CB in January though.

 

International break seems to have come at the right time for Dortmund, they were sloppy again today.

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Subotic injury confirmed, out for season.

 

"Neven Subotic is injured for the rest of the season. The central defender tore the posterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament tear in his right knee. According to team doctor Markus Braun' date=' the 25-year-old will be out for at least six months."[/quote']
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