Guest Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Next season, with or without a takeover, with Big Sam I would have at least been wanting us to be much much closer to Spurs & Everton. Challenging (not necessarily finishing higher) with them has to be the bare minimum for me. Depending on funds and players he brings in will depend on whether we should be looking even higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 One point unresolved that means I can't really answer this. We don't know any of Ashleys plans, did he really say Allardyce has got one season to show results? How can he build a team in one season? If everything goes his way position six is within his reach, will that be good enough? Ashley hasn't said anything about only giving Allardyce one season. This is newspaper invention which has been hardened into fact through repetition. Bit like Gullitt supposedly promising 'sexy football', when he actually said no such thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Tbh i think we will just spend as normally until MA gets to know the club and once we are establishing ourselves back in the top half i think then is when he will decide to put some money into the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? I really fear for arsenal no take over as yet and wenger not seeming interested in signing a contract extension I can see them dropping back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toon tone rudeboy Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 As I said in another thread... Intertoto (at least) next year. That will lead into a strong UEFA run. Following year will be UEFA outright (no more intertoto nonsense). I just hope that the change in power at the top will allow a manager to be given a chance of more than one year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Manchester United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Manchester United. Which one of them though clever shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 January buys never work bud, only in very rare situations You have been sucked in by bullshit by managers who signed a player in Jan & it just didnt work out. I reckon the same players were still shit after a pre-season with the same club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Manchester United. Which one of them though clever s****. arsenal have looked iffy the last couple of seasons,battling till late with bolton and spuds for 4th place and possibly without henry ?,liverpool,benitez sounds unhappy and the possibility of no fresh funds. quite a possibility that the big 4 could become the big 2 with a group of 4 or 5 behind them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 January buys never work bud, only in very rare situations You have been sucked in by bullshit by managers who signed a player in Jan & it just didnt work out. I reckon the same players were still shit after a pre-season with the same club. its more of the fact we still aint used to a split set transfer period, I guess alot of people think that a window such as january is too short alot of buys are "panic ones" and you never get the best players then as its a short ammount of time to get a new player in. I also think its harder for a new player to gell when they come in jan due to the team playing together for so long and having some of the summer together also. Always expections to this but I wish they brought back the old buy them all season approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Manchester United. Which one of them though clever s****. Premier League Table - 2011/12 ------- 1. Manchester United 2. Liverpool 3. Newcastle United 4. Chelsea 5. Arsenal 6. Stoke City 7. Tottenham ... 24. Sunderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Big Four becomes the Big Five. Not this season, but soon. Our ascend into CL football will roughly mirror our fall. A couple of seasons of UEFA cup runs, and then some top four finishes. In place of ? Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Manchester United. Which one of them though clever s****. Premier League Table - 2011/12 ------- 1. Manchester United 2. Liverpool 3. Newcastle United 4. Chelsea 5. Arsenal 6. Stoke City 7. Tottenham ... 24. Sunderland Stoke? Do you know something we don't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yes, Everton dissolved in match fixing scandal. Expansion of Prem to 24 teams in 2011/12 (Rangers and Celtic both relegated with Sunderland) Now you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I'm very confident that the momentum will now be upwards, whereas before it was downwards and we were more likely to be relegated than get back in the top four. I'm not too worried about how quick the upward momentum is, because I'd rather build on good foundations than splash out on a few big money signings. The reality is, that unless you're prepared to spend Chelsea-type money, you really have to take things one step at a time now. But so much has changed. We had a puppet manager dominated by an incompetent, interfering Chairman and limited funds for investment. We now have a strong, confident manager, a Chairman whose power has surely been severely curtailed (if he carries on at all), and a secure financial position. This is probably the best summing-up of the situation - can't see us being title challengers, and a UEFA Cup spot would be a real achievement this season. Would prefer to see Shepherd gone altogether ; we don't know how much power he has retained, OR how many of his retinue/hangers-on are still at the club or associated with it. My concern is that Ashley, being a low-profile operator, may allow him too much leeway in the early days, and that will impede the club's recovery..he may also have had to guarantee Shepherd's position for at least a season in order to persuade him to sell without any hassle.... Also, in playing matters, Sam WILL take time to get the team as he wants it - as we have seen with Ben Haim, it is not easy to secure good players if we are competing with Top 4 clubs ; they want success as well as dosh, and they want it NOW, not in 3 years' time... Once again I say - its a BIG job, and will take time to put right , as well as BIG money.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teepee Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 i reckon sam will get a few cheap signings in (in terms of transfers, viduka, ben haim og rozehnal). and then after feeling he has his basic squad in place, he'll make a move for one or two big players. this way no one will mess up our transfer plans by demanding silly money for their players like chelsea are experiencing at times..... 5 new players before the end of this transfer window! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 I'm very confident that the momentum will now be upwards, whereas before it was downwards and we were more likely to be relegated than get back in the top four. I'm not too worried about how quick the upward momentum is, because I'd rather build on good foundations than splash out on a few big money signings. The reality is, that unless you're prepared to spend Chelsea-type money, you really have to take things one step at a time now. But so much has changed. We had a puppet manager dominated by an incompetent, interfering Chairman and limited funds for investment. We now have a strong, confident manager, a Chairman whose power has surely been severely curtailed (if he carries on at all), and a secure financial position. This is probably the best summing-up of the situation - can't see us being title challengers, and a UEFA Cup spot would be a real achievement this season. Would prefer to see Shepherd gone altogether ; we don't know how much power he has retained, OR how many of his retinue/hangers-on are still at the club or associated with it. My concern is that Ashley, being a low-profile operator, may allow him too much leeway in the early days, and that will impede the club's recovery..he may also have had to guarantee Shepherd's position for at least a season in order to persuade him to sell without any hassle.... Also, in playing matters, Sam WILL take time to get the team as he wants it - as we have seen with Ben Haim, it is not easy to secure good players if we are competing with Top 4 clubs ; they want success as well as dosh, and they want it NOW, not in 3 years' time... Once again I say - its a BIG job, and will take time to put right , as well as BIG money.. It is difficult this, isn't it!!? It is very difficult to 'forecast' what will happen in this new world we are in. The future is likely to be so very different from the (very) recent past - more akin to what was happening during the 1992 to 1997 period (with all the progress and attendant excitement) only I suspect it will be much better and more permanent. Also, I think it will see the 'progress' being anchored by winning things. If that is the case, and 'winning cups' is not that great (in the grand scale of things) then we have to be talking about the League. When? I don't know, but being realistic - we have to be challenging in the not too distant future, three seasons tops. I stick by my "new realism" timetable, posted earlier in this thread . . . exciting times ahead for us! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptoon Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Big Sam has to be given time. What i want to see is consistant improvement of our team. Top eight will do next year then higher and higher from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest philinho Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 manorpark, i like your talk of new realism - it's something i definitely agree with. I think, next season good cup run in both cups (possibly winning the league cup & fa cup runner up?). A finish in the top 7-8 and we can build on that from the next season. I mean we still don't know what money is going to be spent, this time in 2 months time we could have spent £50m on an amazing squad and be seriously looking at title contenders - but again, the new realism way of thinking is the way to look at it. Let's just get a good solid spine to the team to begin with (which is already shaping up well with the signings of Barton/Viduka). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 manorpark, i like your talk of new realism - it's something i definitely agree with. I think, next season good cup run in both cups (possibly winning the league cup & fa cup runner up?). A finish in the top 7-8 and we can build on that from the next season. I mean we still don't know what money is going to be spent, this time in 2 months time we could have spent £50m on an amazing squad and be seriously looking at title contenders - but again, the new realism way of thinking is the way to look at it. Let's just get a good solid spine to the team to begin with (which is already shaping up well with the signings of Barton/Viduka). To be honest, I am having a lot of trouble getting my head around (as I have just said on another hread) the 'enormity' of it all. The enormity-factor is caused by our new billionaire owner, but I so totally agree with you about building the 'spine' of the team. That is what Allerdyce brings to the table, that he is what he is good at. The "Allerdyce Factor". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 It will prove hard to "build" the team next year if we don't make it to the UEFA cup at least. The best players want to be playing in Europe - Fact. If they see us make a couple of places up to 8th or something like that it's not exactly too inviting is it... Also to hold on to our "star" players (if they're still here) i.e. owen, martins, zoggy ...etc we will have to be in europe or expect transfer reqwuests / get out clauses being seen. We should realistically be looking at 5-6 th place as I can't see anyone apart from Villa, if they have an injection of cash, doing as well as us because their managers are inferior (my opinion) and they don't have a home support that can make your stadium an inhospitable place for opposing teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 as an example see TBH transfer...He is going to pick Chelsea for the medal possibilities and europe, had we of been in the UEFA we might have been in with a shout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Allardyce to spend £30 million-ish, fail to qualify for the CL and get the sack next summer. Expectations are always nice, though reading everything you guys write, gives me a mixed feeling. As for the qoute above, from page 1, and together with most of your 'dreams' (not trying to be too harsh ), I think we need to be more realistic and down to earth. We are a medicore-side, surrounded with fans that often have quite unrealistic expectations. If we want to succeed in the long term, we need to be consistent in our decisions (that goes for both signings and appointment of managers). The current situation at NUFC is very influenced by the media, we are not in deep sh**, as they claim. But years and years of bad business- and sportsdecisions have left deep traces in our club. For me the appointment of Allardyce was a (truly missed) sign of ambitions from FF, and now that M.Ashley is on the verge of fully controlling our club - well, that hopefully helps the financial aspects. Personally, I would like Allardyce to stay for a long time (Just look at Man Utd and Arsenal, it's been awhile since they changed managers ). Now, people would most likely argue, for different reasons. My point is however that consistency is important for long term success, and honestly, consistency is something that definitively aren't synonymous with NUFC. Further, I support those of you saying SA should use his cautious approach in the transfer market. Again, consistency is far more important than flushing millions on 'big names' and so-called superstars. at the moment Newcastle don't need superstar and big names, we've signed Emre, Owen, Duff, luque (the list is endless) and none of them has really lived up to the expectations. (Think about this; our (the fans) expectations or the expectation related to their potensial- and/or current ability?) One guy in here wrote something else, that I agree with (and I think most of you also agree with this) ; At the moment we need to focus on getting a squad that works well together. CL and UEFA qualification, cup titles, and even the league title, is something I'll leave out for the moment. I'm just glad to see us finishing 10th or 11th, higher ? .. sure if possible... but I'd be happy with 10th or 11th as long as Sam, Mike, and the rest of the staff, focus on consistency and plans for the future, not just for the next game (or season, for that matter). That is, building up a decent infrastructure, a good side, invest in youths and so on...the rest? small steps makes big steps later on.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Expectations fo rnext season - 8th or 9th, if we get a few more players in, and the expected ones leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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