madras Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Infact - that's all i'm saying tbh. Honestly can't be arsed to go into it again. He did f****** well under the circumstances and we're f***** if he goes, cos Owen's off. We'd go from having the best striking line-up outside the Premiership to one of the potentiall weakest, being left with Shola and Viduka. People who want rid were expecting too much too fast and are too difficult to please. Simple as. if he and owen go(personally if we lose one i'd rather it were martins)we have £22mill extra to spend. And only a few weeks left (given the inevitable lenghty sagas) to sign fill the void's that two top class strikers have left. What's the point when we've got what we have? If Allardyce can get it to click, and i think it's worth him atleast having a go, it could be a cum-worthy-ish-ly good forward line. If it doesn't so be it, but it might. did you watch martins much last season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Yup. Masses of potential imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Yup. Masses of potential imo. You say that, but what exactly did you see about him that suggests that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Tbh, Martins probably cost us a good few matches last season he was that poor at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 In what ways though? If he had a good first touch, good movement, etc. I'd agree, but he lacked the basics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Sell Owen and Martins, buy Tevez and another player like Gudjonssen.......palm Stroller off onto somebody like the mackems or smoggies for 2 quid.........and have money left including the 10m yesterday for Owen, is what i would do. I think Tezev would rather crawl all the way to Milan over broken glass than come here tbh. Gudjohnsson been shit every time I've seen him at Barcelona this season too, Saviola would be a better signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 The main thing here of course is we have to sell him if Arsenal bid for him, and with two of the mornings papers reporting this so far it looks like there could be something in it. Looks like we might have seen the last of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Tbh, Martins probably cost us a good few matches last season he was that poor at times. Puts loads of pressure on the rest of the team when someone's ball retention is that poor. I wouldn't single him out as costing us games as such because there were plenty as bad / worse than him. His touch and movement are particularly poor though. I think people who expect massive improvements in those areas just aren't living in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 he's not a bad player.....................but!!!!!!! i honestly think he'd fit better into the man utd set up than ours or arsenals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Sell Owen and Martins, buy Tevez and another player like Gudjonssen.......palm Stroller off onto somebody like the mackems or smoggies for 2 quid.........and have money left including the 10m yesterday for Owen, is what i would do. I think Tezev would rather crawl all the way to Milan over broken glass than come here tbh. Gudjohnsson been shit every time I've seen him at Barcelona this season too, Saviola would be a better signing. Gudjohnsson can play, in the premiership. Once they have shown this, it doesn't leave them. Its the direct equivalent of Luque being good in Spain - although its hard to believe - and being shit in the premiership. You may be right ref Tevez, but its just wishful thinking and if you don't try then you don't know. It's up to Newcastle to raise their profile, as they did under Keegan, and tempt these players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Must be shit if Wenger wants him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 he's not a bad player.....................but!!!!!!! i honestly think he'd fit better into the man utd set up than ours or arsenals Arsenal maybe cos Wegner is an expert dealing with African players. Fergie would not touch him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 In what ways though? If he had a good first touch, good movement, etc. I'd agree, but he lacked the basics. His touch is shit, i won't deny that. But the guy's got talent - he scored 17 goals in his debut season for a shit English team. Something that is mega different to anything he's ever played in before. He was effectively playing a more offensive position than normal, cos he was the only striker we had. Yet he still put a decent shift in. Movement can be worked on, and that was my major gripe with him, or it was last season as he was a centre-forward, but he was unlike one and was static. But it can be worked on with good teaching. Teaching a striker to move is hardly something that can't be done. And when he establishes causing the defense trouble with running without the ball, he'll come on in leaps and bounds, cos only a miniscule percentage of Premiership defenders can even catch teh bastard. Sorting his touch out is down to him, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 If Wenger gets his hands on him, Martins will be one of the deadliest strikers in Europe in three to five years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Must be s*** if Wenger wants him. Yeah but Wenger signed Jeffer etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Must be shit if Wenger wants him. Is that the best you can do Dave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Yup. Masses of potential imo. You say that, but what exactly did you see about him that suggests that? He scored 17 fecking goals in a totally alien environment in his debut season, for one thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Must be s*** if Wenger wants him. Yeah but Wenger signed Jeffer etc. Only Jeffers? I heard he bought a few other decent players too in his time.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Must be s*** if Wenger wants him. Considering his previous record signing was Wiltord.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 In what ways though? If he had a good first touch, good movement, etc. I'd agree, but he lacked the basics. Yes. Instead of hitting left foot/right foot screamers into the net, jumping to flash the ball with his head for goal, racing clear with blistering pace, chesting the ball down to hit the ball first time on the half-volley,... he should have laid the ball safely back to Carr to swing a high cross towards the goal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 he's not a bad player.....................but!!!!!!! i honestly think he'd fit better into the man utd set up than ours or arsenals Arsenal maybe cos Wegner is an expert dealing with African players. Fergie would not touch him. i'm talkin about his style of play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Worthless going over the same points again and again. People are ridiculously fickle regarding Martins imo, i'll leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 If Wenger gets his hands on him, Martins will be one of the deadliest strikers in Europe in three to five years. Absolutely spot on. And i don't think Allardyce is too many millions of miles behind Wenger in terms of nurturing 'neutral'* talent. *IE, the potential's there, but it can go one way or the other, good/bad. Bramble is an example of bad, and i'd say the lack of defensive brain from Sir Bobby cost Titus a lot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 In what ways though? If he had a good first touch, good movement, etc. I'd agree, but he lacked the basics. Yes. Instead of hitting left foot/right foot screamers into the net, jumping to flash the ball with his head for goal, racing clear with blistering pace, chesting the ball down to hit the ball first time on the half-volley,... he should have laid the ball safely back to Carr to swing a high cross towards the goal... Haha, spot on. Can't believe you muppets want to see the back of him........WTF! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 On the flip side of this, any play with ambition would leave Newcastle for Arsenal so you can understand why he'd want to go. Thanks to Shepherd we've got no say in the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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