Guest SamL Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 taylor for england, good joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Taylor deserves to be in England imo..People here really underate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johan Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Bashing our own players, in this club you either seem to be world class or utter shite not fitting to play in the premiership. Get a fucking grip ffs. He is young, he is already decent and with proper training and some luck may turn out quite ok. That and the fact that he wants to play for Newcastle and is loyal, give him a break! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=476239&CPID=219&clid=4&lid=&title=McClaren+backs+Taylor+claims Nowhere near England standard - he's as clumsy as Bramble. he's pretty clueless like, but its amazing someone so clueless can be appointed by that perfect chairman Steve Gibson who is everything you would want a chairman. He even followed him with an ex captain of the club with no managerial experience !!! The mark of a genius. Fancy that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SamL Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Taylor deserves to be in England imo..People here really underate him. not mean people on here OVER rate him? Having taylor in the england squad is nearly as pointless in having jenas in it. they are never going to get a game because they are no way near good enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kenton Magpie Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He's decent but still has alot to learn, he does make some big blunders yet he gets away with them because there are too many nuggets at SJP with black and white rose tinted glasses on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He's overrated but he's a decent player. Christ, to be honest he's done remarkably well to be in the U21 squad when he's spent his professional career learning off clowns like O'Brien, Boumsong, Ramage and Bramble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Taylor deserves to be in England imo..People here really underate him. not mean people on here OVER rate him? Having taylor in the england squad is nearly as pointless in having jenas in it. they are never going to get a game because they are no way near good enough Well..I personally overate him, i think he fully deserves a call-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pongle Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Bashing our own players, in this club you either seem to be world class or utter shite not fitting to play in the premiership. Proof? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pie Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Tin hat on. I think he's very average at the moment. He's still young and I'm sure he'll improve and stop making as many mistakes as he currently does. I'm not doubting his commitment or effort and he's not a bad player by ay stretch of the imagnation.....I just don't think he's the player some make him out to be. I wish he was superb -but he's just...not. Yet. Really want Allardyce to sign someone like Sol Campbell who will bring him on as a better player. Agree with that. It gets a bit embarrassing when people rabbit on about him as if he was a world beater. For a good part of the season he was poor to average. He has the potential to be a steady centre half. Seen nothing but hyperbole to suggest he is top class. He is potentially a good player. So was Titus and we all know that it was all about consistency with him - sometimes very good, other times very poor. Taylor needs time and a bit of calm about him that he simply doesnt have right now. Long way to go for him... Carragher and King are way ahead of him. Terry, Woodgate and Rio are on a level that I can't see him coming close to. Woodgate played for England at 19 and justifiably so. Taylor isnt close to his level, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He's overrated but he's a decent player. Christ, to be honest he's done remarkably well to be in the U21 squad when he's spent his professional career learning off clowns like O'Brien, Boumsong, Ramage and Bramble. I think the whole learning off other defenders at times is a bit of a cop out. Take someone like Woodgate for example, I don't think it was the fact he was playing alongside someone experienced like Radebe that he made his England debut at 19, that would have happened regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ryunufc Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 many players did not deserve to get call up but they did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pie Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He's overrated but he's a decent player. Christ, to be honest he's done remarkably well to be in the U21 squad when he's spent his professional career learning off clowns like O'Brien, Boumsong, Ramage and Bramble. I think the whole learning off other defenders at times is a bit of a cop out. Take someone like Woodgate for example, I don't think it was the fact he was playing alongside someone experienced like Radebe that he made his England debut at 19, that would have happened regardless. Very very true. Playing alongside Pat Heard and Andy Thomas didnt hold Gazza back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He's overrated but he's a decent player. Christ, to be honest he's done remarkably well to be in the U21 squad when he's spent his professional career learning off clowns like O'Brien, Boumsong, Ramage and Bramble. I think the whole learning off other defenders at times is a bit of a cop out. Take someone like Woodgate for example, I don't think it was the fact he was playing alongside someone experienced like Radebe that he made his England debut at 19, that would have happened regardless. I think you do learn from older players in the team especially when you are so young and just breaking into the first squad. Obviously Ramage isn't going to turn into Maldini if he played alongside a world class centre back but even with talent it would be a massive help to come into a team and be the one who is being lead rather than trying to guide your partner who has many more years experience than you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He's overrated but he's a decent player. Christ, to be honest he's done remarkably well to be in the U21 squad when he's spent his professional career learning off clowns like O'Brien, Boumsong, Ramage and Bramble. Sort of agree with you Ally, not sure about overrated, but if its about looking at players attributes etc, if I was a scout I would say that Taylor has what you want for a top level player in his position. He also has the physical determination and aura about him to be a captain. There's no doubt that playing alongside someone like Woodgate would have been educational in the positional and intelligence side of his game, and so with improvement in that area he could become the real deal. I would actually buy him if I was another premiership manager. I also think the comparison made elsewhere with Carragher to be daft. Carragher is 29, and he wasn't a world beater either at Taylors age. If anything, Taylor is more like Carragher than any other top defender, and if he is as good as he became we will all be happy I suspect. I also think zoggy has the qualities to be a top player, although last season he faded. Thats no big deal really, most young players do, he'll come back. I only hope its with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Taylor doesnt deserve to be in the England squad right now... but he certainly deserves interest from the National manager and being kept track of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deep456 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Or maybe you are cluleless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Or maybe you are cluleless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think he's average, but for his age he's pretty good. In a better defence I think we'll see a much better Steven Taylor this season, he might make the step up. I do think he has potential to go all the way and become a top centre back, he just needs guidance. Some players have it all upstairs like Woodgate, others are a bit rough around the edges like Taylor and can take a bit longer. It makes a world of difference playing in a steady back four, something he's never had. I remember this site pointed out we had 33 different back four combinations last season, surely more than anyone in the league. It'll also help having a couple of decent full backs and hopefully a decent partner for him. Playing for a shaky back four manned by different people every week is no recipe for success. His development will come on this season I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 People seem to be going around in circles on the Taylor issue. Some realise he has the potential to be a very good player, and others have an irrational hatred for him. That isn't going to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think he's average, but for his age he's pretty good. In a better defence I think we'll see a much better Steven Taylor this season, he might make the step up. It makes a world of difference playing in a steady back four, something he's never had. I remember this site pointed out we had 33 different back four combinations last season, surely more than anyone in the league. It'll also help having a couple of decent full backs and hopefully a decent partner for him. Playing for a shaky back four manned by different people every week is no recipe for success. A settled back four with good communication is the basics, and with it you can have a good defensive record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He will have a great season. Mark my words.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 He will have a great season. Mark my words.. Its safe to say he will. But now that the media have changed their opinion of him (No one would dare question the young lion of England who roared with all his might carrying injury, carry his Country and even took a pen against the Dutch cunts) he'll be getting praise from all over the place, i just hope that doesn't go to his head too much. But it would be nice for a change that a Newcastle defender, and a home talent is getting praise from all angles, yet again i think the most critical people of him will come from his own fans, we just love to knock em down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I really don't understand why Lescott keeps getting overlooked... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dr. Pongle Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I really don't understand why Lescott keeps getting overlooked... Star Trek lookalikes are a no-go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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