AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the fucking guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! No, I won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nikos34 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It has got f*** all to do do with club ambition when you have a world class player on your hands. If you have a player better than many left backs in the Champions League, then they are not going to commit to a club like Newcastle because they believe they might get there in 10 years time. The only reason they MIGHT do that is through a sense of club loyalty, or if they are promised they will be allowed to leave if a proper bigger club comes in for them (i.e. not Villa or Liverpool) But why shouldn't a club in our position be signing 2 or 3 other class players? We're a Premier League club 4 points off 6th spot. A club like us should have been keeping Carroll and splashing money on someone like Luis Suarez. The likes of Jose would be staying then. That is what I mean by lack of ambition. But when I say 'club' I mean 'owner' of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the fucking guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! No, I won't. I'm not saying it is a bad thing, I prefer the fact that we managed to buy under-rated players who perform well for us and generate a lot of interest. Anyone who thinks we (as a newly promoted club) can unearth gems like Tiote, Enrique, hopefully Ben Arfa, and can resurrect Barton's career, and manage to keep all of them, is not realistic, and should refrain from Football Manager for a bit. Give me an example of another recently promoted club who unearthed players of that quality and managed to keep them for longer than a season, and I will stand corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'm not complaining about the selling of the players, if it happens. I'm complaining about the ruining of a perfectly decent season by people constantly talking about a player as if he's gone. Promise I won't post this again, but can't we at least try to fucking enjoy the good players we've got without constantly using them as a way to snipe at Mike Ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Sevilla thrived under a similar policy (buy cheap, sell high) after getting promoted. They sold Sergio Ramos, Reyes, Baptista... and yet went on to win two back-to-back UEFA cups. But their transfer record during the period is unbelievable. Daniel Alves for 500k? Julio Baptista for €3m? Luís Fabiano for €3.5m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not a swipe at Ashley/Lambias. Just a dose of realism about how the modern game works. It is exactly the same for every club who isn't Man City or Chelsea. Arsenal go through the same thing every summer with Fabregas. Liverpool have just had it with Torres. As soon as the club can't match the player, they're off. Which is why I definitely agree with you. Enjoy the likes of Tiote, Enrique playing for us. If they go, then so be it. It means we made a great signing rather than a Boumsong. Eventually if we do it consistently enough, then less players will move, more will stay, and that is how the club develops. It happens slowly and sustainably. We will moan a bit on the message boards, but in the short term I would rather everyone was moaning about our relatively obscure signings turning into great players and leaving, than our relatively obscure signings drawing £60K per week and fading into oblivion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 But Mike only sells players reluctantly once they have submitted a transfer request!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 But Mike only sells players reluctantly once they have submitted a transfer request!!!! And I will happily bet that Tiote will stay in the summer unless he submits a transfer request, at which point he will be sold for a silly amount. Refer to my earlier post, if a player gets his head turned and wants to move on, all that a club can do is maximise the sale price and try and appease the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not a swipe at Ashley/Lambias. Just a dose of realism about how the modern game works. It is exactly the same for every club who isn't Man City or Chelsea. Arsenal go through the same thing every summer with Fabregas. Liverpool have just had it with Torres. As soon as the club can't match the player, they're off. Which is why I definitely agree with you. Enjoy the likes of Tiote, Enrique playing for us. If they go, then so be it. It means we made a great signing rather than a Boumsong. Eventually if we do it consistently enough, then less players will move, more will stay, and that is how the club develops. It happens slowly and sustainably. We will moan a bit on the message boards, but in the short term I would rather everyone was moaning about our relatively obscure signings turning into great players and leaving, than our relatively obscure signings drawing £60K per week and fading into oblivion. Well that's fair enough, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it's normally argued on here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not a swipe at Ashley/Lambias. Just a dose of realism about how the modern game works. It is exactly the same for every club who isn't Man City or Chelsea. Arsenal go through the same thing every summer with Fabregas. Liverpool have just had it with Torres. As soon as the club can't match the player, they're off. Which is why I definitely agree with you. Enjoy the likes of Tiote, Enrique playing for us. If they go, then so be it. It means we made a great signing rather than a Boumsong. Eventually if we do it consistently enough, then less players will move, more will stay, and that is how the club develops. It happens slowly and sustainably. We will moan a bit on the message boards, but in the short term I would rather everyone was moaning about our relatively obscure signings turning into great players and leaving, than our relatively obscure signings drawing £60K per week and fading into oblivion. Well that's fair enough, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it's normally argued on here! Because not all posters are armed with the Big Sam Sledgehammer of Logic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Not a swipe at Ashley/Lambias. Just a dose of realism about how the modern game works. It is exactly the same for every club who isn't Man City or Chelsea. Arsenal go through the same thing every summer with Fabregas. Liverpool have just had it with Torres. As soon as the club can't match the player, they're off. Which is why I definitely agree with you. Enjoy the likes of Tiote, Enrique playing for us. If they go, then so be it. It means we made a great signing rather than a Boumsong. Eventually if we do it consistently enough, then less players will move, more will stay, and that is how the club develops. It happens slowly and sustainably. We will moan a bit on the message boards, but in the short term I would rather everyone was moaning about our relatively obscure signings turning into great players and leaving, than our relatively obscure signings drawing £60K per week and fading into oblivion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Player and manager both playing charades in public. I know I've been really negative recently but I actually expect the worst now. He's off this summer. I expect him to leave in the summer for about £10m. (I'll be delighted if he stays though because he could become the best LB in the league quite easily) I'll be disgusted if he goes for anything less than 15m frankly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power. Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !? Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power. Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !? Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one.. I know and to think some fans wanted Keegan back for a FOURTH time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power. Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !? Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one.. you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up fucked. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "There is definitely no way that this player is up for sale" N-O: http://www.stakeholdermedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/angry-mob.jpg "We will do our best to keep him, but there are no guarentees" N-O: http://www.stakeholdermedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/angry-mob.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 There's something very Nick Clegg-ish about Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' I think that was their stance until the dire end in the Carroll saga. But when you're literally drowned in money, what can you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' one of those lies that every club says, like "the manager will have the final say on players", they have to say it but we all know it means nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 At the beginning of the season with their latest plan to break even in 5 years, they cannot ever have anticipated they would get £35m for Carroll and that £30m of that would be paid up front. So what does that mean now for their plan? Has this set the pattern for the future or was it a one-off? On a financial basis, they must be well ahead of where they envisaged they would be at present whilst the players are exceeding what was expected of them. So will Ashley be inclined to invest in the team to ensure they are a comfortably top-half of the table team with no relegation worries for the next few years (thereby guaranteeing the TV income) or will he look for a quick fix by selling some players for as much as he can in the Summer and hope that their replacements will do the job for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 At the beginning of the season with their latest plan to break even in 5 years, they cannot ever have anticipated they would get £35m for Carroll and that £30m of that would be paid up front. So what does that mean now for their plan? Has this set the pattern for the future or was it a one-off? On a financial basis, they must be well ahead of where they envisaged they would be at present whilst the players are exceeding what was expected of them. So will Ashley be inclined to invest in the team to ensure they are a comfortably top-half of the table team with no relegation worries for the next few years (thereby guaranteeing the TV income) or will he look for a quick fix by selling some players for as much as he can in the Summer and hope that their replacements will do the job for him? As you say, it's a great opportunity for him to loosen the manager's purse strings a bit now we must be way ahead of forecast financially. Let's hope he does it at least a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now