BlueStar Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' I think that was their stance until the dire end in the Carroll saga. But when you're literally drowned in money, what can you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' one of those lies that every club says, like "the manager will have the final say on players", they have to say it but we all know it means nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 At the beginning of the season with their latest plan to break even in 5 years, they cannot ever have anticipated they would get £35m for Carroll and that £30m of that would be paid up front. So what does that mean now for their plan? Has this set the pattern for the future or was it a one-off? On a financial basis, they must be well ahead of where they envisaged they would be at present whilst the players are exceeding what was expected of them. So will Ashley be inclined to invest in the team to ensure they are a comfortably top-half of the table team with no relegation worries for the next few years (thereby guaranteeing the TV income) or will he look for a quick fix by selling some players for as much as he can in the Summer and hope that their replacements will do the job for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 At the beginning of the season with their latest plan to break even in 5 years, they cannot ever have anticipated they would get £35m for Carroll and that £30m of that would be paid up front. So what does that mean now for their plan? Has this set the pattern for the future or was it a one-off? On a financial basis, they must be well ahead of where they envisaged they would be at present whilst the players are exceeding what was expected of them. So will Ashley be inclined to invest in the team to ensure they are a comfortably top-half of the table team with no relegation worries for the next few years (thereby guaranteeing the TV income) or will he look for a quick fix by selling some players for as much as he can in the Summer and hope that their replacements will do the job for him? As you say, it's a great opportunity for him to loosen the manager's purse strings a bit now we must be way ahead of forecast financially. Let's hope he does it at least a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It's now a three year plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It's now a three year plan. sounds like we're fast-tracking our way to Stalin's Russia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can we please have these negative as fuck, out of context quotes removed from the title? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 "I've only taken this job because I've been assured we will not be selling our best players.' I think that was their stance until the dire end in the Carroll saga. But when you're literally drowned in money, what can you do? Die? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power. Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !? Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one.. you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up fucked. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all. Indeed, but some clubs have more means than others. That's a key point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can we please have these negative as fuck, out of context quotes removed from the title? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Keep the faith chaps, European football beckons, get in that and we'll keep our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Keep the faith chaps, European football beckons, get in that and we'll keep our best players. Hope you're right on both counts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power. Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !? Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one.. you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up f***ed. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all. Just don't want to 'get it'..!? If I and others hadn't wanted to 'Get it' 20 years ago, the club would still have been run by McKeag's family and KK would never have arrived as manager ONCE. never mind twice... I don't need a lesson in economics thanks - you are implying that the club would be 'living beyond its means'by competing for decent signings or trying to keep its best players ; that is a matter of conjecture - do you believe that Kuqui is a decent signing for a club like Newcastle ? Or would Gateshead be a more likely setting for him !? We have sold a young player who, in all likelihood, will play for England for 10 years and win medals with Liverpool - yes, that's right, Liverpool and they WILL win medals despite the envious tripe spouted on here about them because they are ambitious and have rich backers....nobody is saying that NUFC should be signing 35m players but there IS and should be, a balance. Also, any club selling its top players will never prosper - end of... If you don't want to talk Sheff Weds, try Burnley and see how selling best players did for them. NUFC DOES have a big support and only clubs with decent support can be successful over a long period. NUFC has not punched its weight over the years and if you can't(or WON'T) see that, you either haven't supported the club for very long or you have a poor memory recall. Ashley may not be Abramovitch but he COULD back the club a bit better in the market - as could anyone who doesn't blink at losing 1m a shot in casinos..!! Failure to attract or keep good players means that any decent ones left at the club will also want to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 i think this entire forum needs to get a grip, as annoyed as i am at the carroll saga, can anyone honestly say that we came off badly in it? i wish he still played for us, but £35 million for him is crazy money and honestly i can see why they sold. Just because we've sold one of our best players it doesn't suddenly mean that we will lose enrique and tiote in the summer, if we spend the £35 million with the addition of other funds as well (because after this season surely we need to invest some money besides as well to try and push on) and buy like we have for the last few windows then we should have a very very good team next season. Quite frankly the idea that a team that spent last season in the championship but is too good to sell their best players, when good established PL teams like villa have had to sell milner and barry in recent years (for considerably less), sounds like we think we are bigger than we are. I don't think that selling players is the way forward but sometimes you have to take the hit and as long as it doesn't become a habit i dont think we can have too many complaints. Selling one good player doesn't make us a selling club and with reinvestment in the squad we could be a force next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EastEndGeordie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 i think this entire forum needs to get a grip, as annoyed as i am at the carroll saga, can anyone honestly say that we came off badly in it? i wish he still played for us, but £35 million for him is crazy money and honestly i can see why they sold. Just because we've sold one of our best players it doesn't suddenly mean that we will lose enrique and tiote in the summer, if we spend the £35 million with the addition of other funds as well (because after this season surely we need to invest some money besides as well to try and push on) and buy like we have for the last few windows then we should have a very very good team next season. Quite frankly the idea that a team that spent last season in the championship but is too good to sell their best players, when good established PL teams like villa have had to sell milner and barry in recent years (for considerably less), sounds like we think we are bigger than we are. I don't think that selling players is the way forward but sometimes you have to take the hit and as long as it doesn't become a habit i dont think we can have too many complaints. Selling one good player doesn't make us a selling club and with reinvestment in the squad we could be a force next season. TBH you won't get through to anybody, people won't change their minds unless logical theory becomes fact and as such until the summer in which Tiote and Enrique stay you'll be able to be proven correct or if they leave you'll be wrong, there isn't a thing in the world you can do until either of those events occur. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think we came off badly in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The cynicism of some posters is completely over the top but it's been earned given the way the higher-ups have operated the club in the recent past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9397572.stm Luis Enrique ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Best fullback we've had in my living memory (27yo), and I backed him from day one all the way through. Terrific player and a great signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 The cynicism of some posters is completely over the top but it's been earned given the way the higher-ups have operated the club in the recent past. Spot on, I'm not sure why widespread distrust is still met with incredulity by some. We'll only see at the end of the summer whether the predictions are justified or not, there's no way of knowing now. Doesn't mean people can't or shouldn't make those predictions though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 That's what makes a forum a forum, aint it Davey boy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can't see us selling Tiote, we only just signed the f***ing guy. Wonder how long it'll be before I open a player thread and it isn't about him being definitely sold in the summer? Get used to it. We used to be a club who bought players for large fees, give them massive career fulfilling contracts, and then could never get rid of them. We are now a club who aims for players on lower fees, on lower wages, but with potential to be a hell of a lot better. It is a natural consequence of the second option that we will worry about the players we sign who turn out to be great player, and then leave for bigger and better clubs. Do it consistently enough for a long period of time and you might get lucky and hit the sweet spot between the Arsenal model and the Man Utd model! ...and if you get it wrong a few times, you end up between the Sheffield Wednesday and WBA model...! go the other way and it's leeds and pompey........and us to certain extent. Leeds and Pompey do NOT have our crowd potential or drawing power. Still, we can always settle for second best instead of 3rd best, eh !? Leeds and NUFC's problems were the result of having a complete dickhead in charge instead of only a partial one.. you just don't want to get it do ya ? it doesn't matter what the size of crowds, turnover or prestige of club,'crowd potential or 'drawing power'......if you try to live too far beyond your means you'll end up f***ed. the only difference is the size of the numbers, the premise is the same for all. Just don't want to 'get it'..!? If I and others hadn't wanted to 'Get it' 20 years ago, the club would still have been run by McKeag's family and KK would never have arrived as manager ONCE. never mind twice... I don't need a lesson in economics thanks - you are implying that the club would be 'living beyond its means'by competing for decent signings or trying to keep its best players ; that is a matter of conjecture - do you believe that Kuqui is a decent signing for a club like Newcastle ? Or would Gateshead be a more likely setting for him !? We have sold a young player who, in all likelihood, will play for England for 10 years and win medals with Liverpool - yes, that's right, Liverpool and they WILL win medals despite the envious tripe spouted on here about them because they are ambitious and have rich backers....nobody is saying that NUFC should be signing 35m players but there IS and should be, a balance. Also, any club selling its top players will never prosper - end of... If you don't want to talk Sheff Weds, try Burnley and see how selling best players did for them. NUFC DOES have a big support and only clubs with decent support can be successful over a long period. NUFC has not punched its weight over the years and if you can't(or WON'T) see that, you either haven't supported the club for very long or you have a poor memory recall. Ashley may not be Abramovitch but he COULD back the club a bit better in the market - as could anyone who doesn't blink at losing 1m a shot in casinos..!! Failure to attract or keep good players means that any decent ones left at the club will also want to leave. How can you say the club hasn't been punching above it's weight when you look at the financial side of things before Ashley took over? We were paying Champions League level wages! Any club selling their best players will never proper...? What about Sevilla, as Village Idiot points out? It's all about the right balance, which is difficult to find, tbf. What tripe is spoken about Liverpool as well? Most of it is justified. Head over to one of their forums if you don't like the scousers getting insulted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9397572.stm Luis Enrique ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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