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vital football.com (not very reliable) has us challenging pompey for saviola.

It's not funny tbh. It hasn't been for quite a long time. True. But it's his very pig-headedness that provides the comedy. The whole I'm-ignoring-the-information-about-the-club's-finances-because-the-people-discussing-it-will-be-insulting-Shepherd routine is particularly funny. http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:zPH5JU0o01eqqM:http://625.uk.com/pifs/learn2swim.jpg learn to quote young man....learn to quote

Let's not forget Mr Andrew Cole either tbh. deal was tied up for ferdinand apparently but they pulled out after a bad run dropped them into relegation bother. it was well known by easter that he'd be signing in the summer.

All very well in theory, but in many ways, the horse has bolted... Our reputation today has declined further, so it will be even more of an uphill task - and take years - to persuade young players that we are a club they should join instead of Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool etc. the problem being trying to get through to kids and parents that they may have more opportunity at the B&W's/ lower league clubs as opposed to those mentioned. The main problem is that the kids themselves would see NUFC as a booby prize if they also had the chance to join the top 4 - plus the fact that, as I said, our reputation with young players will be used to scupper our chances by the scouts of other clubs... Just because IN THEORY youngsters may get more first team opportunities with NUFC/Lower div clubs doesn't mean that the kids will be any keener to go there - it will take YEARS to alter people's views on Newcastle United as a breeding ground for young talent. no it wouldn't take years. it takes a couple of appointments to the academy (maybe money is already one). it may take years in the fans eyes but not for those klids and parents who see what is happening in the academies. just the way the scouting has changed in the last year or so shows how things have changed so far. Time, as ever, will tell - the problem is that NUFC doesn't HAVE much time. the booby prize thing goes for all clubs outside the top 4 but hasn't stopped citeh,boro,west ham bringing through plenty of kids. the fact that we are spending a lot on scouting the world instead of wallsend is a start on showing the way the club is preparing to go. time is one thing you have to have when developing kids,it won't happen overnight but it has started.

All very well in theory, but in many ways, the horse has bolted... Our reputation today has declined further, so it will be even more of an uphill task - and take years - to persuade young players that we are a club they should join instead of Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool etc. the problem being trying to get through to kids and parents that they may have more opportunity at the B&W's/ lower league clubs as opposed to those mentioned. The main problem is that the kids themselves would see NUFC as a booby prize if they also had the chance to join the top 4 - plus the fact that, as I said, our reputation with young players will be used to scupper our chances by the scouts of other clubs... Just because IN THEORY youngsters may get more first team opportunities with NUFC/Lower div clubs doesn't mean that the kids will be any keener to go there - it will take YEARS to alter people's views on Newcastle United as a breeding ground for young talent. no it wouldn't take years. it takes a couple of appointments to the academy (maybe money is already one). it may take years in the fans eyes but not for those klids and parents who see what is happening in the academies. just the way the scouting has changed in the last year or so shows how things have changed so far.

As opposed to a scrap metal merchant running one http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,59575.0.html doesn't quite compare with this. Are you saying you have been envious of the mackems over the past 15 years so you both think fred is a scrap metal merchant ?

the journal is reporting it will be a loan deal with a view to a permanent transfer.

http://www.violanews.com/news.asp?idnew=30316 The tiny bit at the bottom. It translates to "For Donadel the offer of the Newcastle arrived, 4 million euro: the Florentine one said ok but the gambler for now hesitates." written by nostradamus. is the florentine one the player or the club and is the gambler the player or nufc ?

however on reading the whole thread, this has made me feel a lot better over on our forums evrytime summit bad happens eg. sellin chimbonda, evry1 thinks its the end of the known universe if i go wif my head we wil get beat if i go with my heart we wil win and chops wil get the winner i think the best way for both sets of fans to go is with their livers.

or more likely either of........... a) they wanted more than we could offer b) they wanted more than we thought he was worth c) he didn't want to move here. I don't know like, didn't people say at the time that Everton had offered £8 million the season before and it seemed silly to even bother offerin £5 million? Now the offer starts to make sense £5mill may just have been an opening bid and the smokescreen arguement in transfers always seems silly,

or more likely either of........... a) they wanted more than we could offer b) they wanted more than we thought he was worth c) he didn't want to move here.

I haven't looked at it. By the way, I've responded to some of your previous posts directed at me, and predictably you have joined the list of those who are unable to reply and prove me wrong, when you would love to if you could. Are you someone else that insisted we would be better off without the fat b****** [for anybody] ? Which questions have you asked me, sorry if I missed them but your perpetual arse kissing of Freddy Shepherd sends me to sleep. Which fat b****** are you on about, Shepherd or Ashley? well, we are certainly not better off since the last ownership change are we, but I thought that soopa Mike was going to be the saviour to end all those embarrassing days of qualifying regularly for europe ? We are financially more stable than we were under Freddy "Lets hoy some more cash at the problem and hope we get somewhere" Shepherd. You should know that from your sneaky peaking at the financial report thread. We will have to see where we are come May to decide how bad Ashley has been. If we finish 13th or so you could say we are on a par with Fat Fred couldn't you? Well you wouldn't cos obviously you are blinkered. While Mike Ashley is not the man to take the club forward, Freddy Shepherd certainly wasn't either. But at least Ashley isn't taking money out of the club to line his own pocket, unlike Fat Freddy. I haven't looked at the thread, because I know it will be full of people like you slating the old board for anything you can think of, such is your cluelessness. You and people like you were told for ages by myself and one or two others that getting rid of the old board wouldn't necessarily lead to more success and a better club, you were wrong. You are being told again that Ashley is taking the club downwards and downwards, his policy is wrong, you are disputing it, but you are wrong again. if that is the case then so is this thread so why post here and not there ? so then...at what point would you stop lending off the banks ? would you wait for them to want their money back ? is the answer you are looking for in the example of how Bob Murray ran the mackems ? He understood finance, after all and how to stop the club going bust ? Therefore, those mackems must have had a great 20 years. I'm sure our new direction will see us competing for some silverware soon ie the 2nd division trophy again. Glorious stuff. Soopa mike might also get the crowds back, at least until we are promoted and he stops competing again. Wait a moment, do you think the plan is to get relegated, then get promoted and go into debt again, or sit in the bottom half of the league with nice accounts, and 25,000 crowds. I'm asking, I don't know. I would hope he would aim for success, after all, thats what football is about. Isn't it ? the mackems outspent us for a good few of the reid years and why would they be a good example of how to run a club (they bought a load of shit and had a scouting system and youth system that was worse than ours). ashleys plan of sustainablity would probably have worked better if the club wasn't in the mess it was when he took over but it's a better plan than "borrow millions to slide down the league". you'll not find many who don't think we'd have been (on the pitch) in a similar position had fred have stayed. are you saying "you don't know" to the question of wether you would just keep borrowing millions year on year and not really being in a position to pay it back ?

thats all we need.......signing an arsonist

Who? Villa? No West Ham who;ve just found £7.5m for 19 year old Brescia striker Savio Nsereko. Surely West Ham are in worse financial straits than NUFC, and if £7.5m is the going rate for promising young talent Dennis must be shopping at Netto? is that the west ham who've just sold a forward for £14million ?

I haven't looked at it. By the way, I've responded to some of your previous posts directed at me, and predictably you have joined the list of those who are unable to reply and prove me wrong, when you would love to if you could. Are you someone else that insisted we would be better off without the fat b****** [for anybody] ? Which questions have you asked me, sorry if I missed them but your perpetual arse kissing of Freddy Shepherd sends me to sleep. Which fat b****** are you on about, Shepherd or Ashley? well, we are certainly not better off since the last ownership change are we, but I thought that soopa Mike was going to be the saviour to end all those embarrassing days of qualifying regularly for europe ? We are financially more stable than we were under Freddy "Lets hoy some more cash at the problem and hope we get somewhere" Shepherd. You should know that from your sneaky peaking at the financial report thread. We will have to see where we are come May to decide how bad Ashley has been. If we finish 13th or so you could say we are on a par with Fat Fred couldn't you? Well you wouldn't cos obviously you are blinkered. While Mike Ashley is not the man to take the club forward, Freddy Shepherd certainly wasn't either. But at least Ashley isn't taking money out of the club to line his own pocket, unlike Fat Freddy. I haven't looked at the thread, because I know it will be full of people like you slating the old board for anything you can think of, such is your cluelessness. You and people like you were told for ages by myself and one or two others that getting rid of the old board wouldn't necessarily lead to more success and a better club, you were wrong. You are being told again that Ashley is taking the club downwards and downwards, his policy is wrong, you are disputing it, but you are wrong again. if that is the case then so is this thread so why post here and not there ? so then...at what point would you stop lending off the banks ? would you wait for them to want their money back ?

you know he's telling fibs. he just can't justify his undying support for someone who's been shown to have been dragging the club down into a deep dark abyss. i'll be very surprised if he actually gives in and posts in that thread tbh I'll save you the bother of speculating. I've said why I've no intention of reading it, which should in all honesty suit those who say I spoil every thread by debating about the old board and why the new one pales in comparison. How long do you think it will be until someone, anyone, including Mike Ashley, matches those european qualifications that the s**** board did ? probably as long as it'll take someone to run up 100mill of debt to finish lower than halfway more than half the time in the last decade while taking about a million out each yearaswell. so then.....would you keep on running up debts year on year until the banks say "no...can we have it back please" ?

i can only assume those voting prem 96/97 have got their years moxed up.

are you sure it happened ? Am I sure what happened? exactly

are you sure it happened ?

can't be m'bia as everyone on here knows he would cost twice what we offered and he wouldn't come anyway.......... ..........and then he was shit.

johnson is a very good player.....when he plays. right now i'd take cash instead to use on someone who will play till the end of the season (not guaranteed i know) johnson is a risk too far at the moment.

i agree with a good bit of what kitman says. we need to invest in the squad to save ourselves right now but we also need to look at what got us here. i understand what ashley is trying to do and it is necessary. we can't borrow for ever to chase dreams, we need to develop more of our own talent (has any top flight club developed less high quality talent than us ?....only the mackems i can think of!!).

hopefully in richard money and his team we have the right coaches and hopefully we are also picking up a better quality of young player

i went to school with him

don't worry. no doubt some 16year old will be on any minute to tell us he watches all brazillian games and fabio is either the best ever or is utter shit.