madras

great article in saturdays independent about west ham entitled "no more fereddie ljungbergs" and how the ethos has changed financially and how the club is ran. and a fantastic brian viner article about warren barton/sir les and a group of toon fans on there way to london.

How's Zokora a naff example? Mbia has pace and power so can join when needed, Makalele never could. i've just watch him labour around the pitch against Lille, he didn't look to be blessed with too much pace, he looked like he would struggle to beat Geremi in a race! not a dig at you binnsy but the general feel of m'bia.....before the game he was too good for us and the idea we were only bidding £5mill made us look stupid....now he's shit based on one game. the football chat section is a loon.

they are basically my thoughts except the communication bit. had we been in the top 5 or 6 i doubt anyone would have gave a toss about the communication. we had a communicator as chairman before and he got mocked and lambasted for it. on a seperate not,very good to see you back HTL.

shouldn't be called supporters then if you're not going to support. lets call them "attendees" instead.

You are right, and that is what it took to get rid of McKeag in the end...all this 'get behind the lads' stuff is old hat from the 50s when they really DID get behind them because they had a good side who tried their hearts out. Ashley & Co are only interested in the dosh - if they thought they were going to get another financial caning, they'd soon get their finger out.. Door-mats get trodden on.... so they don't think we'd get a financial caning by getting relegated ? the irony being that the best we've done in the league post war was under the control of others who were in it for the dosh............made loads-risked little. Just to reiterate my original post I really don't care about the financial aspect of things as I think there's more important things in life. As I said in my original post we are being taken for mugs on a grand scale by all parties, for example the lack of communication by the board is disgraceful! So I'd happily take relegation if that was the result of the fans protesting, at least we would have some pride and show people that we won't be taken for granted! How can any self-respecting person support anyone related to NUFC is beyond me as none of them give a toss about the club. there are more important things in life,but if you ignore the financial side you'll find most of them are out of your reach. also i think they do give a toss just haven't been very good at what they do inrelation to NUFC.

Joe Kinnear would undoubtedly be getting better results if he was backed by his board/manager. Does that makes sense to you or not ? Do you think Joe Kinnear would get what you deem as "the results we deserve" if he was backed by an "ambitious" board? All of this, of course, is meaningless. The question we should be asking is whether he's the right person for us here and now. Is he going to save us from relegation under the s*** board we currently have? Do you think so? ah well, if you are still denying the ability to buy better footballers is crucial to the chances a manager has of succeeding or getting better results, then you [if you did] and the others [who definietly did] that backed the "long term plan" and still subscribe to it etc and all this bollocks, should stop complaining and get on with looking ahead to our rosy future. I'll repeat this one more time. After that I give up. Honestly, I can't believe I've already given you this much courtesy and attempted to engage with you in a proper argument despite the fact that you obviously have no intention of doing so. We cant' change Ashley. Look, I'm agreeing with you here. I think he's useless and I'd be shot of him in a second if we could. But we can't. We can't sack the owner, he's here whether we like it or not. Given the situation, it's up to us to find the best manager we can to work under these s*** conditions. Do you think Joe Kinnear is that man? Is what he's doing right now the best anyone could do with our squad? I'll repeat this one more time. If you expect results from a manager, you have to allow him to manage and run the club. Fact is, everything I read on here from people like you is exactly the same as what people said for decades before the Halls and Shepherd put into force higher expectations. How can you say a manager has done a s*** job when you haven't gave him the tools to bring in better players ? Basic, kids stuff this like. Unless you are one of those who think football began in 1992 and the Halls and Shepherd brought an end to decades of glorious trophy winning or something yet again your plan is to give "whoever" a blank cheque......how long can a club keep on doing it ? remind me again where I mentioned a blank cheque In fact, just right now, any cheque would be welcome ok then not a blank cheque.....but you do advocate racking up debt,year on year even if you can't afford it. Well, as about 16 other teams also have debts..... Have you thought of asking pomey supporters if they want their board out for running the club so badly ? Terrible that like. You never know, if they are REAL supporters, they will tell us that they wish they had never won the FA Cup instead of waiting for the horrible reality of incompetently failin'' pompey have had their splurge and they know they can't rack up much more debt without endangering the club. watch their spending over the next few windows. they racked up as much debt as they reasonably could and realise they daren't go much futher....... .....and what about those other clubs ? west ham for example spending millions of others money eh ? same as boro eh ? everton ? you can't keep racking up debt forever..it builds up to an unhealthy level,especially if you aren't even making a profit to start with. wether you like it or not NUFC is a business and has to live by business rules.

Joe Kinnear would undoubtedly be getting better results if he was backed by his board/manager. Does that makes sense to you or not ? Do you think Joe Kinnear would get what you deem as "the results we deserve" if he was backed by an "ambitious" board? All of this, of course, is meaningless. The question we should be asking is whether he's the right person for us here and now. Is he going to save us from relegation under the s*** board we currently have? Do you think so? ah well, if you are still denying the ability to buy better footballers is crucial to the chances a manager has of succeeding or getting better results, then you [if you did] and the others [who definietly did] that backed the "long term plan" and still subscribe to it etc and all this bollocks, should stop complaining and get on with looking ahead to our rosy future. I'll repeat this one more time. After that I give up. Honestly, I can't believe I've already given you this much courtesy and attempted to engage with you in a proper argument despite the fact that you obviously have no intention of doing so. We cant' change Ashley. Look, I'm agreeing with you here. I think he's useless and I'd be shot of him in a second if we could. But we can't. We can't sack the owner, he's here whether we like it or not. Given the situation, it's up to us to find the best manager we can to work under these s*** conditions. Do you think Joe Kinnear is that man? Is what he's doing right now the best anyone could do with our squad? I'll repeat this one more time. If you expect results from a manager, you have to allow him to manage and run the club. Fact is, everything I read on here from people like you is exactly the same as what people said for decades before the Halls and Shepherd put into force higher expectations. How can you say a manager has done a s*** job when you haven't gave him the tools to bring in better players ? Basic, kids stuff this like. Unless you are one of those who think football began in 1992 and the Halls and Shepherd brought an end to decades of glorious trophy winning or something yet again your plan is to give "whoever" a blank cheque......how long can a club keep on doing it ? remind me again where I mentioned a blank cheque In fact, just right now, any cheque would be welcome ok then not a blank cheque.....but you do advocate racking up debt,year on year even if you can't afford it.

I would say he's a step up from Souness, Roeder and Allardyce. would you now. You would step up a gear or two in my estimation if you could find it in you to admit, whatever their mistakes [ie Souness], that the Halls and Shepherd have been the best people that have run this club in the last 50 years. My opinion as to why you won't do it - is because despite what you say, I think that you are one of the 25000 "supporters that support you evermore" who were attracted back to the club by the Halls and Shepherd so don't really understand that this is the case. However, you can change my mind if you like. Nobody else but you can do it. Simple fact is that you appear to me to be one of those people who have latched onto a personal agenda. I just bet that you sit in the working mens clubs talking to people who haven't watched the club in over 50 years, and are totally clueless as to the modern game, and trot out absurd bollocks like "that Gordon Lee he was a s**** manager because he sold Supermac" Cringeworthy stuff, just like the quotes by you that are in my sig pretty much everyone does admit that. will you admit that after that they were taking us backwards ? the only person who has taken this club backwards is the person who implemented a backwards approach to running the club Can I remind you for about the 20th time that its only 3 years ago that we qualified for europe, finishing in 7th position, a position equalled only twice in over 30 years before the Halls and Shepherd came in and raised expectations. can i remind you we spent most of that season worried about relegation....did you go that season ? it was s***...worse than robsons mid table seasons. if thats the case we finished higher last season than where your chum left us. so it be better if thats the only criteria.

Joe Kinnear would undoubtedly be getting better results if he was backed by his board/manager. Does that makes sense to you or not ? Do you think Joe Kinnear would get what you deem as "the results we deserve" if he was backed by an "ambitious" board? All of this, of course, is meaningless. The question we should be asking is whether he's the right person for us here and now. Is he going to save us from relegation under the s*** board we currently have? Do you think so? ah well, if you are still denying the ability to buy better footballers is crucial to the chances a manager has of succeeding or getting better results, then you [if you did] and the others [who definietly did] that backed the "long term plan" and still subscribe to it etc and all this bollocks, should stop complaining and get on with looking ahead to our rosy future. I'll repeat this one more time. After that I give up. Honestly, I can't believe I've already given you this much courtesy and attempted to engage with you in a proper argument despite the fact that you obviously have no intention of doing so. We cant' change Ashley. Look, I'm agreeing with you here. I think he's useless and I'd be shot of him in a second if we could. But we can't. We can't sack the owner, he's here whether we like it or not. Given the situation, it's up to us to find the best manager we can to work under these s*** conditions. Do you think Joe Kinnear is that man? Is what he's doing right now the best anyone could do with our squad? I'll repeat this one more time. If you expect results from a manager, you have to allow him to manage and run the club. Fact is, everything I read on here from people like you is exactly the same as what people said for decades before the Halls and Shepherd put into force higher expectations. How can you say a manager has done a s*** job when you haven't gave him the tools to bring in better players ? Basic, kids stuff this like. Unless you are one of those who think football began in 1992 and the Halls and Shepherd brought an end to decades of glorious trophy winning or something yet again your plan is to give "whoever" a blank cheque......how long can a club keep on doing it ?

I would say he's a step up from Souness, Roeder and Allardyce. would you now. You would step up a gear or two in my estimation if you could find it in you to admit, whatever their mistakes [ie Souness], that the Halls and Shepherd have been the best people that have run this club in the last 50 years. My opinion as to why you won't do it - is because despite what you say, I think that you are one of the 25000 "supporters that support you evermore" who were attracted back to the club by the Halls and Shepherd so don't really understand that this is the case. However, you can change my mind if you like. Nobody else but you can do it. Simple fact is that you appear to me to be one of those people who have latched onto a personal agenda. I just bet that you sit in the working mens clubs talking to people who haven't watched the club in over 50 years, and are totally clueless as to the modern game, and trot out absurd bollocks like "that Gordon Lee he was a s**** manager because he sold Supermac" Cringeworthy stuff, just like the quotes by you that are in my sig pretty much everyone does admit that. will you admit that after that they were taking us backwards ?

the club should do what it considers is best for itself. yes he's given good service but the contracts he's signed must have been enough to keep him happy.

You are right, and that is what it took to get rid of McKeag in the end...all this 'get behind the lads' stuff is old hat from the 50s when they really DID get behind them because they had a good side who tried their hearts out. Ashley & Co are only interested in the dosh - if they thought they were going to get another financial caning, they'd soon get their finger out.. Door-mats get trodden on.... so they don't think we'd get a financial caning by getting relegated ? the irony being that the best we've done in the league post war was under the control of others who were in it for the dosh............made loads-risked little.

Did he slyly unscrew a stud from owen's right boot making him mis-hit all his shots then? The team collapsed after the penalty. When something goes against you, the manager and captain have to lift the players. We simply made it easy for a very poor Blackburn side to go on and score more. I think it was Peter Schmiechel (sp?) who said he would give himself thirty seconds to get over any clanger. He was playing at the top, but if anything you need even more fortitude at the bottom. I've always rated Owen but he's been very poor this last five matches or so. He's been missing a lot of chances and otherwise contributing very little indeed. Perhaps it wouldn't matter so much if we had other goalscorers, but we don't. At least not fit ones. Owen is also not captain material. folding after conceding has been an NUFC trait for a few years now.

1 treble up but damn you wycombe wanderers. twice i had money on you this season,today and when you got knocked out the FA cup by eastwood town......damn you to hell. £3.06 down on the day

Yeah, what we need is signings chosen by Dennis Wise or Kinnear The Fantasist. We'd be better off playing Fat Uncle Mike and Lovenkrands' unborn baby (which is the only reason he's anywhere near us) than most players them two daft c***s will choose. Kinnear has less of a clue than Roeder, Souness or Allardyce, but any fan who didn't start questioning him after the "Owen will let me know in 2 days" LIE is a f***ing cretin who no doubt wanted to give Fat Sam more time - gullible wankers. We were s*** today, and the face onm Given when he left the field was what every fan should have......but too many arseholes will keep buying shirts and supporting the manager/club because "that makes you a real fan"....f*** off, you retards. he's right you know...what we should do,and the fans of every other club that is under performing is stop going,then they'll have to do better.

if it were true that they are only here for the money (which it is to a point) surely the same must be said for most every player at most clubs. i really don't think kenwynne jones would turn down one of the big boys if they cam knocking,bellamy is kicking up,barry wanted to leave,berbatov got his way. very naive to think the players we have had newcastle at the top of their list.

Fairly sure there isn't a problem with identifying numerous targets. In fact that would be the sensible thing to do. I hate Gomez. Terrible footballer and yet he averages one goal every other game at club level. Doesn't matter though, seriously doubt he'd be interested in us. are you just going off the euros as he waas far from terrible the last couple of seasons (not as good this season but still scoring) The guy's username may provide some clues. and mine ? As far as I'm aware, he's not naming himself after his favourite curry. his e=mail doesn't sound german. and he still didn't answer. if he didn't think he was good last season and the one previous i'd have doubts over his opinions of most footballers.

i think it's....http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:SioOg8Fb-_Z_BM:http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1213674/article_images/johnastinisgreatasgomezaddams.jpg

good movement,good finish,good control and awareness............like shearer but less so. but no...he won't sign.

Fairly sure there isn't a problem with identifying numerous targets. In fact that would be the sensible thing to do. I hate Gomez. Terrible footballer and yet he averages one goal every other game at club level. Doesn't matter though, seriously doubt he'd be interested in us. are you just going off the euros as he waas far from terrible the last couple of seasons (not as good this season but still scoring) The guy's username may provide some clues. and mine ?

mourinho left because it started to go bad and his way round it was to go all FM08 and just try and buy his way out of trouble. all managers have limited authority in the transfer market (even keegan under the halls, when they wouldn't but him beppe signori). if wenger or ferguson go to their boards and say they want to compete with citeh for kaka....what do you think they'll be told ? But Wenger or Ferguson wouldn't even say that so the point is mute. because they know what the answer would be ? they work within their means and maybe rafa wants to push too far. By having more control of transfer policy and the youth team? Isn't that what being a manager is, having control over these things? but a manager must also be aware of his constraints. maybe his board don't think rafa is too aware of his ? Then why should he sign the contract if he feels like he's not being allowed to manage? he hasn't signed it. all managers have constraints (even mourinho found out)

i was thinking of it being euro wide.

would be worth examoning other sports with salary caps to see how they are policed and how effective it is. more of a problem could be european law.

Then they could give him a budget and tell him to work within that. pretty sure most clubs don't have a budget like that. if they think any transfer proposition is value they will try to get financing.

Fairly sure there isn't a problem with identifying numerous targets. In fact that would be the sensible thing to do. I hate Gomez. Terrible footballer and yet he averages one goal every other game at club level. Doesn't matter though, seriously doubt he'd be interested in us. are you just going off the euros as he waas far from terrible the last couple of seasons (not as good this season but still scoring)