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has keegan signed a comfidentiality clause ? and if so why ?

Newcastle: We've just sold James Milner for 12m pounds, think you're spending any of it? Not a chance, muhahahaha thechnically it was spent on xisco and others i suppose. i wonder if schweinsteiger will be asked his thoughts ? Technically we spent nothing at all this summer, after spending nothing at all in January. Do you think that is what Keegan signed up to and made him come back? we did spend. we spent the milner money,the emre money and the rozenhal money.....it's a shame we couldn't the ameobi and smith money. And the other 30+million dissapeared into thin air i suppose. is it like pay day when that 30mill is just dumped into the bank account on the first day of august. if the times article is right they had money aside for schweinsteiger then probably some for january and some to cover losses cuased by the out of kilter wage bill.

i have a feeling no-one is going to come out this looking clean.

Got proof? Of course not, man. HTT's still looking for a brown paper bag. HTT is gutted because he only stumped up for his first ever season ticket because KK was back and one home game in he's already f***ing walked. and that is perversly funny

Newcastle: We've just sold James Milner for 12m pounds, think you're spending any of it? Not a chance, muhahahaha thechnically it was spent on xisco and others i suppose. i wonder if schweinsteiger will be asked his thoughts ? Technically we spent nothing at all this summer, after spending nothing at all in January. Do you think that is what Keegan signed up to and made him come back? we did spend. we spent the milner money,the emre money and the rozenhal money.....it's a shame we couldn't the ameobi and smith money.

That's bull Indi, and goes against the rumours that it was Wise doing the leaking for one. Unless of course you can prove KK was doing the leaking rather than suggesting it to suit your own views of this whole mess which is trying to put it on KK's toes from how I'm reading it. aren't you doing exactly the same from the keegan side. bearing in mind most of the leaks showed the board in a bad light.

A confidentiality clause will not prevent him from claiming constructive dismissal. well why sign it ? the rumour was he'd signed in order not to have to pay up his side of the contract (rumoured 2mill)

Exactly. by keegan and the board Keegan is sticking by his original story. well did he say he had the final say........then he didn't...which was it ? he says he was happy to work with wise and jiminez...now it doesn't look like he was ?

a lot of folk at the time were saying he needed the cash

Exactly. by keegan and the board

Newcastle: We've just sold James Milner for 12m pounds, think you're spending any of it? Not a chance, muhahahaha thechnically it was spent on xisco and others i suppose. i wonder if schweinsteiger will be asked his thoughts ?

as i pointed out yesterday if keegan thought he had a chance of constructive dismissal he wouldn't have signed a confidentiality clause. does anyone know for sure he has ?

I like the idea that his list was Ronaldinho, Lampard, Henry and Danny Guthrie. well in the same way that people wanted the board to come out and refute everything. by the same token if keegan doesn't refute it we'll have to assume it's true. whats good for the goose and all that.

yet wise knew he'd have to deal with a petulant,toy throwing media manipulator. (lets all use crappy stereotypes eh or have you proof ?)

NEWCASTLE UNITED lost patience with Kevin Keegan because they told him to manage the team in the style of Arsène Wenger and he wanted to do the job like Jose Mourinho. With the credit crunch looming, Keegan was given a £12m transfer budget in the summer, but produced a wish list that would have cost more than 10 times as much. His nominated transfer targets were David Beckham, Frank Lampard, Ronaldinho and Thierry Henry. Tony Jimenez, Newcastle’s vice-president overseeing recruitment, instead proposed Samir Nasri, before he joined Arsenal, Sebastian Schweinsteiger of Bayern Munich, and Espanyol’s Valmir Valdo. The last straw, which led Keegan to walk out, is said to have been the sale of James Milner to Aston Villa, which the manager sanctioned on the basis that Schweinsteiger, who starred for Germany at Euro 2008, would be signed as a replacement. Newcastle agreed a deal with Bayern, only for the midfielder to turn down the move. The Sunday Times can reveal that neither Keegan nor Dennis Wise, the executive director with whom he fell out, were the original choices for their respective jobs. Club owner Mike Ashley wanted Harry Redknapp as manager and Terry Venables as his eminence gris, but both rebuffed him. Anxious to set the record straight over the reasons behind Keegan’s departure, the club issued a statement yesterday refuting many of the claims made on his behalf. The most crucial of the points it makes is that Keegan accepted the job last January in the full knowledge he would have to report to a director of football and to the board. The statement insists that Keegan had specific duties relating to training, coaching, selection and motivation of the team and that he was allowed to carry them out without interference from any board member. It continues: “It is a fact that Newcastle is a business and operates, like all businesses, with financial constraints . . . and those constraints inform its transfer dealings. The structure at [the] club is clear and has been from January 16, 2008.” A boardroom source told The Sunday Times last night: “Kevin says a manager should have the right to manage, and nobody would disagree with that, but not to manage regardless. In any business, people have to manage within the constraints and budgets applied by their company. Kevin couldn’t, or wouldn’t, do that. Multimedia * Premier League highlights * Ahead of the game e-mail: wit and wisdom delivered direct to your inbox Multimedia * TheGame: debate, analysis, comment and columnists * Fanzine fanzone: have your say Related Links * Mike Ashley, wally with the lolly “Right from the start, at his interview for the job, it was made perfectly clear the way the club wanted the job done. There was not going to be a Chelsea scenario, with Newcastle paying big money and massive wages for established stars. The club was going to be run like Arsenal, and the emphasis would be on scouring the world for the best emerging young talent, like Arsène Wenger has done with Cesc Fabregas and Emmanuel Adebayor. We talked of building the club up over three to five years. Kevin took the job on those terms.” Against that background, the directors were gobsmacked when Keegan came up with the names of Beckham, Ronaldinho, Lampard and Henry. “It was so bizarre,” our source said, “that I wondered if he was doing it on purpose, to try to get sacked. There was no getting through to him. What he wanted would have cost the club £200m in transfer fees and wages, and he had been told that he had around £12m to spend. We have been looking for a centre-half. Kevin’s suggestions were Jonathan Woodgate, Sami Hyy-pia and Richard Dunne. Where’s the residual value in them? “On the Milner issue, the truth is that Kevin sat in on a meeting where the sale was discussed. Kevin r e c k o n e d J a m e s w a s w o r t h £7m-£8m, and the plan was to use that cash to buy Schweinsteiger. Jimenez did the negotiations with Villa and managed to agree a fee of £12m. Everyone thought it was too good to turn down, so the deal was done. Unfortunately, Schweinsteiger then said he wouldn’t come.” The board reject suggestions from the Keegan camp that they tried to sell Michael Owen behind the manager’s back. Our source said: “We definitely didn’t try to sell Michael and didn’t speak to any club about him. On the contrary, we have made him a very good offer to stay. It is an extended and improved contract, the richest ever offered to any Newcastle player. He has sent a letter back, saying he appreciates the offer, and talks are ongoing.” Newcastle on the attack last night as Keegan row hots up Anxious to set the record straight over Kevin Keegan’s departure on Thursday, Newcastle issued a statement late last night refuting many of the claims made on his behalf. Attempting to counter ‘inaccurate reporting of factual matters and inaccurate allegations’, the statement says: It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, on appointment on January 16, 2008, agreed to report to a director of football and to the board. He worked within that structure until his resignation. As manager, [he] had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the team. He was allowed to manage his specific duties without any interference from any board member It is a fact that Kevin Keegan agreed only to deal with the media [about] matters relating to the team and not to communicate about the acquisition or disposal of players It is a fact that Newcastle United Football Club is a business and operates, like all businesses, with financial constraints [that] inform its transfer dealings. The board have a responsibility to ensure that the club is able to meet its commitments, which include the wages and the transfer fees for players http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4692140.ece would this change anyone's opinion if true ?

Looks like a nasty situation is about to get even nastier, tbh. That could be a bit of a media own-goal there for Ashley & Co. I preferred that post pre-edit! Bunch of f***ing c***s. How has this structure ever been clear since 16th January? Lying, slimy toads. the question is wether it was clear to keegan.

What I don't get it is that he's quoted as saying he wants to buy players young and develop them so they have resale value - fair enough, Wenger's been doing that for years then selling them on for massive wedge when he thinks he has/can get better - difference is that Wenger does actually spend the money he brings in. I'm really not interested in how much spare cash NUFC has lying around if it's just sitting in an account, not unless they change the rules of the Premiership and start giving FA Cups out for it. ashleys paid off the debt,we almost have neutrality on transfer dealings. unless the tele money has gone in,in one lump,i'd guess theres no money to be sat round accruing interest.

I think we kept Wise cause Ashley was happy with our signings - and so am i - what more did you want from him??? Genuine question: why do clubs have managers if all you need is a chief scout? Another one: how can any manager formulate a style of play when he's not getting to choose the players? Shoehorning the "best players" (ha) into a team does not work. You'd know that if you'd watched England at any time in the last ten years. your 2nd sentence......doesn't it work on the continent ? The total dominance of English clubs (many with "continental" managers who refuse to use this system) would suggest not. dominance ? only really in the past 2 or 3 years (liverpool won the champs lge but werent any near the best team in europe) and man utd and chelsea only have competition off real for fees and ages. could that be as much a reason.

I think we kept Wise cause Ashley was happy with our signings - and so am i - what more did you want from him??? Genuine question: why do clubs have managers if all you need is a chief scout? Another one: how can any manager formulate a style of play when he's not getting to choose the players? Shoehorning the "best players" (ha) into a team does not work. You'd know that if you'd watched England at any time in the last ten years. your 2nd sentence......doesn't it work on the continent ?

Likewise. I'd put my house (flat!) on it being someone we aren't very familiar with at all I'll settle for that, don't think the majority will though... For once I don't really care who comes in. o'leary,strachan,venables....................still don't care ?

quite possibly libelous

Where did I say that we didn't back Keegan over that period? well, I'm sure a long standing supporter like you knows why Lee and Cox left. On the other hand, you obviously don't. i also know the 3 different reasons why keegan left first time round as manager

I'm not sure well run and sucessful are the same thing. Do you think the next manager will be sucessfull? If he fits into the 'new structure' and is a decent coach, maybe. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Keegan was royally shafted and a lot of people believed in him. It looks to me that Keegan was the one trying to shaft Wise, messing the club about over transfers and then using his popularity to try and get Wise the sack. who shafted who ? it comes down to wether keegan knew he wouldn't have total control when he took the job on.

and a goal down (heinze og)

but even though i think he is the most important player in our team. to want a pay rise after what he's given us doesn't smack as being right. aswell as possibly bringing in a transfer fee it also releases about 5.5mill in wages. i am absolutly torn over wether i want him to re sign.