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don't know about "properly" but i'm with you on the scouting. the error has been not to keep keegan in the loop (if indeed he was kept out). How more 'properly' do we want we are debt free - wages are under control. If it wasn't for the Chelsea's and Man City's we would now be the model for a well ran club If it was Deschamps walking out - who's side would everyone be on? "properly " would have had the manager complicit int all.

don't know about "properly" but i'm with you on the scouting. the error has been not to keep keegan in the loop (if indeed he was kept out).

It has everything to do with Wise (and Jiminez). He's a horrible little c***, so is joey barton . will you support him if he is representing us ? He is, but he didn't get Keegan sacked, did he? Or maybe Keegan just knew this http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php And that by the end of Sept we'd have Owen, Martins, Carroll, Viduka, Ameobi and Xisco to fit into 2 places. maybe others could see owen and viduka as unreliable when it comes to fitness and carroll and ameobi just not up to it. (throw smith in there if you want)

i think it's actually spin by the club but if there was truth in the story that only guthrie (the lowest profile of the incomers and probably the one most likely to be a squad player) was keegans choice. aswell as,as baggio says if keegan couldn't see the need for a striker above the need for a back up left back. this is showing political style tactics with spin and breiefing against being use by both sides.

It has everything to do with Wise (and Jiminez). He's a horrible little c***, so is joey barton . will you support him if he is representing us ?

5th feb 1992 keegan can fuck off,Great, legendary player, but we've got no clue as to how he'll fare as a manager so why should we let him try it out here? Go prove yourself somewhere else before you even consider managing Newcastle United.

if todays newspaper stories are true and keegan has agreed a confidentiality clause it looks like his grounds for constructive dismissal werent agreed by his lawyers. did he agree to the structure originally and thought his strength of charcter could change it to his liking ? also the club needing a confidentiaslity clause...if keegans constructive dismissal claim was KO'd by his own lawyers what have the club got to hide ?

got to love the chron. thats why i haven't bought it in 5 years.

sure thats to him and not his brother (that he is going to fiscal war with)

Depends if he's signed a confidentiality agreement. If he loves the club like he says, then he won't have done. He owes it to us to let us know what's made him resign. hasn't he already done that by saying about no manager should have to accept player(s) he doesn't want ?

The second one across is Jeff Vetere you spastic. the evil mastermind behind the whole thing

Are any of our ex-managers actually in work? roeder

allardyce and souness are still looking for work.

but even doing that it is hard to take money out of the company as there are no shares to pay dividends on and ashley doesn't collect a wage from NuFC. if he did take money out in that way he'd need every signing to pay off massivly to make up for the loss of revenus from the fans.

NE5.......(that pyramids getting on my nreves a bit) it's the "worry about balancing the books later" bit that worries me. you can only do it for so long then it will catch up to you. i'm also thinking on a more general level that the window was quite quiet across the board as clubs struggled to get credit.

I'm beginning to lean this way too. I think Keegan threatened to quit over something and they called his bluff. I'm also beginning to think this might have happened late Saturday or very early Sunday, after which the board decided to sell off the players they would have prefered to this summer, but who they had kept because Keegan requested it. The likes of Owen, Smith and Barton. It was just so weird the way they were all suddenly rumoured to be available on Sunday I thought. It was as though Keegan had already gone by then. The issue is not will/won't Keegan return as Newcastle manager but the situation the club will face if/when he does. There will be a fracture along management lines within the operating structure of the club. The Board will basically have a "maverick" in charge of the most important aspect of the business. There is no way Ashley will find this acceptable. Instructions will be issued to undermine and get rid of Keegan asap. If Keegan thinks the last transfer window was a pain in the arse wait until January. I agree, if Keegan does stay he'll be a dead man walking and I'd expect them to be on the lookout for a replacement to take over next Summer. on top of that how long will ashley stick around with all the grief he'll get ?

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. If you don't get it by now, you never will. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer. Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we. But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding. Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first" Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves.......... their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on s***,peyter reid spent a lot. the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong. Please tell us how many times we qualified for europe and how many times we didn't ? And also tell us how many clubs attracted more supporters through the gates ? Then tell us how many of those paid their money to a club they considered was going backwards ? Then tell us what you think of Mike Ashleys ticket sales policy, and how many are going through the gates ? please tell me if we looked like qualifying for europe under souness,roeder and allardyce ? were we progressing ? or going backwards ? HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...HELLO.........thought not. Funnily I seem to remember we did actually qualify for Europe in that period? Must have been dreaming I guess. precisely, but in madras' little world, we didn't. via the intertoto. were we as a club going backwards under souness,roeder and allardyce ? even the 7th under roeder had us really going backwards were you happy with him ? whats wrong with qualifying for the intertoto ? Did we qualify last season via the intertoto ? We won this competion once, and qualified by finishing 10th. You will never get it. A board with ambition can always overcome making a mistake with a manager, or even 2, but a board without ambition is a permanent dead duck. You're becoming a waste of time. and you'll never get it...they didn't show ambition in appointing allardyce,souness and roeder. do you still advocate spending whatever we can get our hands on and worrying about it later ? I've never said that at all. You're a waste of time. I'm pleased for you that you still think qualifying for europe is failure, yet think that Mike Ashley has his finger on the pulse ........ You just couldn't make this up if you tried. well who said

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. If you don't get it by now, you never will. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer. Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we. But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding. Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first" Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves.......... their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on s***,peyter reid spent a lot. the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong. Please tell us how many times we qualified for europe and how many times we didn't ? And also tell us how many clubs attracted more supporters through the gates ? Then tell us how many of those paid their money to a club they considered was going backwards ? Then tell us what you think of Mike Ashleys ticket sales policy, and how many are going through the gates ? please tell me if we looked like qualifying for europe under souness,roeder and allardyce ? were we progressing ? or going backwards ? HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...HELLO.........thought not. Funnily I seem to remember we did actually qualify for Europe in that period? Must have been dreaming I guess. precisely, but in madras' little world, we didn't. via the intertoto. were we as a club going backwards under souness,roeder and allardyce ? even the 7th under roeder had us really going backwards were you happy with him ? whats wrong with qualifying for the intertoto ? Did we qualify last season via the intertoto ? We won this competion once, and qualified by finishing 10th. You will never get it. A board with ambition can always overcome making a mistake with a manager, or even 2, but a board without ambition is a permanent dead duck. You're becoming a waste of time. and you'll never get it...they didn't show ambition in appointing allardyce,souness and roeder. do you still advocate spending whatever we can get our hands on and worrying about it later ?

Or the DOF picks the manager. Would you be happy with Wise picking our next manager. Yes, between him and Jimenez I think they would come up with a bright young manager, Jimenez was the one who took Ramos to Spurs after all. When you get past the hate people have against Wise from his playing days, his opinion on a potential manager would be worth more than that of someone who sells cut price clothing, a casino manager or a scrap man. who is the scrap man ? Fred wrong shepherd. our fred was in off shore constructions. the scrap man shepherd is his cousin.

Or the DOF picks the manager. Would you be happy with Wise picking our next manager. Yes, between him and Jimenez I think they would come up with a bright young manager, Jimenez was the one who took Ramos to Spurs after all. When you get past the hate people have against Wise from his playing days, his opinion on a potential manager would be worth more than that of someone who sells cut price clothing, a casino manager or a scrap man. who is the scrap man ?

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. If you don't get it by now, you never will. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer. Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we. But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding. Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first" Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves.......... their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on s***,peyter reid spent a lot. the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong. Please tell us how many times we qualified for europe and how many times we didn't ? And also tell us how many clubs attracted more supporters through the gates ? Then tell us how many of those paid their money to a club they considered was going backwards ? Then tell us what you think of Mike Ashleys ticket sales policy, and how many are going through the gates ? please tell me if we looked like qualifying for europe under souness,roeder and allardyce ? were we progressing ? or going backwards ? HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...HELLO.........thought not. Funnily I seem to remember we did actually qualify for Europe in that period? Must have been dreaming I guess. precisely, but in madras' little world, we didn't. via the intertoto. were we as a club going backwards under souness,roeder and allardyce ? even the 7th under roeder had us really going backwards were you happy with him ?

yes,a mega rich indian is preparing to make a bid for us.

Thanks very much. Sometimes I feel unappreciated around here! was meant for me Nope, was meant for me. Erm... coz I say so? look ,he's from benwell,if you want to wake him and ask him you can but he'll send his charva knife wielding clan after ya. tell you what ? i'll concede.

sounds familiar ? no looks familiar mind. work of genius aswell.

Thanks very much. Sometimes I feel unappreciated around here! was meant for me