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0 more rehashed and nothing new. (ie gaffer wants an ashley story and we don't actually know much so i guess we'd better recap

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. If you don't get it by now, you never will. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer. Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we. But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding. Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first" Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves.......... their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on s***,peyter reid spent a lot. the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong. Please tell us how many times we qualified for europe and how many times we didn't ? And also tell us how many clubs attracted more supporters through the gates ? Then tell us how many of those paid their money to a club they considered was going backwards ? Then tell us what you think of Mike Ashleys ticket sales policy, and how many are going through the gates ? please tell me if we looked like qualifying for europe under souness,roeder and allardyce ? were we progressing ? or going backwards ? HELLO...HELLO...HELLO...HELLO.........thought not.

KK saw the need for a creative midfielder and decided to place Owen in that role similar to Beardsley (though not quite as good obviously). Owen did pretty well for us in that position and until we get a Moutinho-type player he should probably stay there. Most of us are just accepting that as one o fthe things KK has publically said he would do with his starting XI. A straight 4-4-2 would probably keep Owen in the Middle partnered with a holding player (Butt/Guthrie) Not a chance. 442 - Owen plays up front 433 - Owen plays withdrawn role i don't even think owen played in a withdrawn role that much. when the 3 played owen and viduka would rotate dropping deep. each taking turns and being the spearhead and martins would pull wide (particularly left)

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. If you don't get it by now, you never will. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer. Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we. But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding. Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first" Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves.......... their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on s***,peyter reid spent a lot. the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong. Please tell us how many times we qualified for europe and how many times we didn't ? And also tell us how many clubs attracted more supporters through the gates ? Then tell us how many of those paid their money to a club they considered was going backwards ? Then tell us what you think of Mike Ashleys ticket sales policy, and how many are going through the gates ? please tell me if we looked like qualifying for europe under souness,roeder and allardyce ? were we progressing ? or going backwards ?

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities on here - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are following their example. Not a tin pot club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you reckon ? so how is it there turn over on similar sized attendances to ours is massivly lower ? and that means financing arrangments for debt are massivly different. the only way SAfC will get through this is by their backers bankrolling/guaranteeing debt for a while. you obviously haven't seen or understand the quote by whatever, earlier on. There are 2 types of directors in football. There are the ones who have drive and ambition that make them want their clubs to be successul, and there are those afraid to take risks. You prefer the shrinking violet types. Your prerogative of course, but Kevin Keegan doesn't agree with you. Hope you enjoy the balance sheet, but personally, I would rather play in europe regularly, and fill the stadium. The irony of course, is if or when the club start buying top quality players ie punching their weight, you'll be pissing your pants saying how great it is. Like many others too. i'd rather be in europe regular aswell.................we have more chance achieving it this season than the last 3 or 4. by the way there are lots of different types of directors. have you considered the peter ridsdale type of spend it now and f*** the consequences type......seems your type of bloke. cherry picking. Pathetic. We aren't talking about Peter Ridsdale. We are talking about the tried and tested method of being successul. We are talking about how the successful clubs are successful. As in Keegans first time too. So grow up and stop resorting to silly one offs like that or don't bother me with such negative rubbish. ok lets talk about being succesfull. i'll start....souness,roeder, allardyce ?

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are now following their example, instead of scratting around the lower leagues and free transfer market for bargains. Co-incidentally, our own rise when we moved ahead of them followed exactly the same change in policy that they have now adopted, rather than one adopted by a club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. If you don't get it by now, you never will. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you can hide behind phrases like "cliche driven drivel" and that last sentance if you want, but its not going to change my point of view. i dont think sunderland's business plan is going to work, and i think they'll run out of money in 2-3 years, if they continue with their current stragtegy. thats my point of view and its not going to change. maybe i'm wrong but we wont find out for another 2 years and you certainly dont know the answer. Well, I'll tell you something else. If Mike Ashley is still owner of the club in 2 years time, and doesn't change his attitude, neither will we. But, as has been said "spending money doesn't guarantee success but it improves your chances" and if the mackems are more prepared to speculate than us, they have a damn sight better chance of succeeding. Have you actually been in this world and saw how they have performed for the last 20 years with a chairman who "put the business first" Which has been pretty much exactly the same as NUFC were for previous decades ourselves.......... their chairman didn't put business first. they outspent us a few times on shit,peyter reid spent a lot. the plan is if you spend ,spend clever,if you spend and go backwards often, you are doing it wrong.

and all the players think "that bastard....think of the pay rise,signing on fees etc"

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities on here - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are following their example. Not a tin pot club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you reckon ? so how is it there turn over on similar sized attendances to ours is massivly lower ? and that means financing arrangments for debt are massivly different. the only way SAfC will get through this is by their backers bankrolling/guaranteeing debt for a while. you obviously haven't seen or understand the quote by whatever, earlier on. There are 2 types of directors in football. There are the ones who have drive and ambition that make them want their clubs to be successul, and there are those afraid to take risks. You prefer the shrinking violet types. Your prerogative of course, but Kevin Keegan doesn't agree with you. Hope you enjoy the balance sheet, but personally, I would rather play in europe regularly, and fill the stadium. The irony of course, is if or when the club start buying top quality players ie punching their weight, you'll be pissing your pants saying how great it is. Like many others too. i'd rather be in europe regular aswell.................we have more chance achieving it this season than the last 3 or 4. by the way there are lots of different types of directors. have you considered the peter ridsdale type of spend it now and fuck the consequences type......seems your type of bloke.

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities on here - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are following their example. Not a tin pot club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you reckon ? so how is it there turn over on similar sized attendances to ours is massivly lower ? and that means financing arrangments for debt are massivly different. the only way SAfC will get through this is by their backers bankrolling/guaranteeing debt for a while. I slightly edited the post to make it clearer. Don't suppose you will understand. Continue considering NUFC should compete at the level of clubs with 20,000 gates if you like. Next time a cockney journo spouts that we are all stupid for thinking we are a big club, and at Kevin Keegan trying to tell them that we are a big club and a unique one, I expect to see you agreeing with the same cockney journo that we are nothing of the kind. This is what they are laughing at, when they do. At people like you. Because they know deep down that we would wipe the floor with their own darlings if we really got our act together, a fact which Keegan also knows, and what has led to his frustration of the last few days. how ? we are only starting to get the wage bill under control,which in time should give us more to spend on transfers....or are you still advocating your"spend what you haven't got and deal with the consequences later" policy ?

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. still clinging to this cliche-driven drivel that has been used for ages to undermine certain personalities on here - who had a damn sight more idea than you care to admit, or are too dumb to realise. Fact is, the mackems themselves are one of the biggest clubs in the country, and if they get their act together are just as capable as us of continuing and improving a good situation if they create one and getting in among the other top clubs. After all, they are following their example. Not a tin pot club like pompey who spend decades in the lower leagues then get lucky for a year or two. Unbelievabe. I would have thought the actions of Keegan over the last day or two would have woken people like you up at last. you reckon ? so how is it there turn over on similar sized attendances to ours is massivly lower ? and that means financing arrangments for debt are massivly different. the only way SAfC will get through this is by their backers bankrolling/guaranteeing debt for a while.

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed. My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that? No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK? Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players. In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic? Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date... Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager. Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment. Fair comment. However, I believe the reason that Ashley "wrapped" himself up in the likes of Wise and Jimenez et al is that he wants to surround himself in London based like-minded individuals that he can manipulate; that gives himself some protection. As to Ferguson's passion, well.... Keegan is/was passionate about NUFC as passionate as Ferguson is about NUFC but only until the likes of the shopkeeper drained the life/power out of him with his meddling. might get knocked down on this but i thought wise and vetere were jiminez's plan. ashley was big pals with jiminez and it was tony that had a plan and brought the others in. Allegedly Jimenez was key in getting Jol removed from Spurs... do a google for more. Hmmm... and getting ramos in which everyone said at the time was fantastic. OK so tell me who will be the next fantastic NUFC manager as a result of this farce please no idea....have you ?

be hilarious if they come out player power-dinnis style and get xisco to read the demands

How do you know how much their owners will be willing to splash next season? From what they've done this transfer window I would suggest it's pretty clear they have set their sights high and are willing to invest accordingly. Oh, and didn't they spend a lot last season as well, only the level of player they could attract was lower because they had only just come up and were prime candidates to go down. As they continue to progress they will be able to attract a higher profile of player, and seeing as they've spent big in every major transfer window since their takeover I would like to know what makes you think it will stop soon? we'll see. maybe they'll be able to match it next year maybe not, but the year after, and the one after that? we may well be hampered in our spending because we're giving a lot of very average players a lot of money, but what happens when they want to replace the ferdinands, the malbranques and the dioufs (who are not brilliant players, although they are good) and find they dont want to go because they are being paid 60K a week a piece and no one will pay them that much. they don't have a bottomless pit of money. If those three players you mention had signed for us this transfer window countless people would have been quite happy I imagine. Hell, they're happy with Danny Guthrie and Bassong who are a damn sight less proven in this league.. I think Guthrie and Bassong are very shrewd acquisitions and Jonas and Coloccini excellent ones. Sorry but the only player Sunderland have signed who I think would have been good for us is McCartney, none of the others are any better than squad players we already have. You think we have someone better than Malbranque in the middle of the park? the joy of it is they don't play him there

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed. My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that? No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK? Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players. In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic? Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date... Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager. Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment. Fair comment. However, I believe the reason that Ashley "wrapped" himself up in the likes of Wise and Jimenez et al is that he wants to surround himself in London based like-minded individuals that he can manipulate; that gives himself some protection. As to Ferguson's passion, well.... Keegan is/was passionate about NUFC as passionate as Ferguson is about NUFC but only until the likes of the shopkeeper drained the life/power out of him with his meddling. might get knocked down on this but i thought wise and vetere were jiminez's plan. ashley was big pals with jiminez and it was tony that had a plan and brought the others in. Allegedly Jimenez was key in getting Jol removed from Spurs... do a google for more. Hmmm... and getting ramos in which everyone said at the time was fantastic.

Keegan is doing what he feels is right for the future of NUFC, and that is to stand up to some shop owner with no footballing experience who recruits a casino MD as the head of the company and an inexperienced second rate manager as Director of Football. If Keegan walks then he will be walking for the right reasons for NUFC as an entity going forward, irrespective of what idiot is the owner. He wants success long term for NUFC and is prepared to fall on his sword if it ultimately means that the mess which is the board is removed. My point was that Keegan and Ashley can no longer work together with any credibility. Are you disagreeing with that? No I agree that their working together is only possible if Ashley gets rid of Wise and the MD but even then it will be fraught. However I diagree with your perception of Keegan making the club "look like a shambles". As I said, he's doing it for the correct long term reasons and that is to remove the farcical empire that Ashley has built around himself. OK? Well, yeah, I can see that Keegan wants to reproduce the situation that he had with Sir John Hall - direct access to an owner who he could pressure so that he can outspend the opposition on the best available players. In today's Premiership, and in the situation NUFC are in, is that realistic? Does Alex Ferguson go to a Director of Football as a go-between between him and the American owners? No. Directors of Footballs and go-betweens have never worked in the English game to date... Ashley is out of his depth and needs to wake up to someone who is seasoned and mature in the game, i.e. his current manager. Not sure how Man U work, but Ferguson has a passion for the game that Keegan can't match. I don't think anyone can not watch a game of football for over two years and then expect to manage a Premiership club without a lot of help with player identification and recruitment. Fair comment. However, I believe the reason that Ashley "wrapped" himself up in the likes of Wise and Jimenez et al is that he wants to surround himself in London based like-minded individuals that he can manipulate; that gives himself some protection. As to Ferguson's passion, well.... Keegan is/was passionate about NUFC as passionate as Ferguson is about NUFC but only until the likes of the shopkeeper drained the life/power out of him with his meddling. might get knocked down on this but i thought wise and vetere were jiminez's plan. ashley was big pals with jiminez and it was tony that had a plan and brought the others in.

and sign jonas and coloccini while he wasn't looking.

dunno bout that like. it was common knowledge that he had stormed out under john hall (no- like-it-said-in-thebrochure-gate)and we recovered.

that has a lovely ring to it Shut it & get me a pint. ya barred

100% yes...along with the rest of Newcastle fans (bar madras) that has a lovely ring to it

if wise is sacrificed but it isn't his fault then surely the problem is still there.

No question as far as I'm concerned. hitzfeld

i'd guess all the DoF in england have differing remits.

I think there's a good chance he wasn't consulted at all about Xisco and Gonzalez. And I think he's being largely ignored over who he'd like to stay, who he'd like to sign, and who he wants to give new contracts to. Keegan wants to shape his own squad. Wise and co think it's none of his business. That's what this showdown is all about, and this transfer window has brought it all to a head. based on ? I think that was Henry Winter's take on it, and it makes sense to me. What else do you think this is about other than who calls the shots over transfers? So no concrete facts or proof then? Christ, I hope that none of you lot get called up for jury duty... I hope you're being ironic. Otherwise nobody's entitled to an opinion i like opinion to be based on something. It is based on what Henry Winter wrote. have the last couple of days taught you nothing ? Henry Winter is actually a class journalist, I wouldn't tar them all with the same brush i've read him and he is slightly less worse than the majority. still,like the rest of us,he hasn't really got a clue what was going on but he gets paid to write about it.

we did when we finished 3rd

has anyone said that ?